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Songbird 1.8 out of beta; another great option to sync music with Pre/Pixi 38

by Jonathan I Ezor#IM Tue, 07 Sep 2010 9:06 am EDT

We've been covering alternatives to iTunes for Pre/Pixi music syncing since Apple finally defeated Palm's efforts to spoof iTunes into supporting the Pre, and we just got word of the latest version of another fine choice. Version 1.8 of Songbird, a free player for Windows, OS X and Linux, has just graduated from beta, and is available for download at the Songbird Web site.

Although the release notes for this latest version discuss the new devices it supports (Storm, Evo, Magic, etc.), Songbird has officially supported the Pre since last December, and the current version continues that support. With video, playlists, and syncing all built in, Songbird is definitely worth a look for your music and media management.

Source: Songbird (Thanks to rmausser in our forum for the heads-up!)

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Here's hoping sync comes baked into the next phone!

been using songbird for sometime it is great stuff. Not as spoiling as others but still solid.

It's a shame, but Songbird doesn't supports Linux any more (due to the better alternatives, I think ;-)).
Does anyone know which musicplayer (Rhythmbox, Banshee) on Linux does syncing with the Pre?

are you sure? I'm running sonbird on Fedora 13.

Yes, I am... http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2010/04/02/songbird-singing-a-new-tune/
As I understand, the will develop, but not support anymore...
Although Rhythmbox, Banshee and Amarok are the better ones... ;-)

That's interesting, but Rhythmbox & Banshee SUCK! I'll have to try Amarok to see... but I wish Songbird worked

They both do :)

If you are into homebrew there is a patch to let Banshee/Rhthnbox or any 'HAL-aware" media player sync with the Pre.

Good to know...

Out of the choices, Banshee is the best (out of Rhythmbox, Amarok, Exaile, Floola, aTunes...), but the syncing is not advanced enough. The ability to sync more than one playlist is missing, drag and drop playlist support is not there, and the built in support for the Pre specifies that it doesn't playlist rather than them change the formatting to work on the Pre (basically using the relative path rather than absolute). MediaMonkey in Wine remains the most powerful and least annoying alternative (personally, I don't want KDE on my desktop and I hate the Amarok look, so no Exaile), but urgh, Wine...

I never got the whole syncing thing. I tried to do this via Doubletwist but it was a nightmare. All I wanted to do was set it up so that if I downloaded music or created pics and vids on my pre they would automatically be backed up onto my laptop. What ended up happening is Doubletwist combed my laptop from top to bottom and put everything it could find on my Pre. Obviously it filled up pretty quick.

After I cleared everything out I tried again but told Doubletwist to ONLY sync to a new empty folder I created. Same thing happened so I just gave up. Now I just do it manually.

Totally agree. The whole syncing thing seems more complicated than it needs to be

Does it sync using "Media Sync" (a la Apple/iTunes sync) or the Pre as a USB drive? I still have yet to get playlists to sync at all when using USB drive.

Someone please explain to me the big deal about syncing music? I am just dragging and dropping music files from my computer onto my Pre. Is that an archaic approach? It seems to do the job just fine.

For me it's not s much about auto syncing of music. It's playlists. I want to create several playlists on the device regardless of artist or genre. I have found some playlist creators for D&D in USB drive mode but playlist sync is simpler.

'syncing' a playlist is just a matter of substituting the relative path from one device to another. This is an easy thing to accomplish. Learn to sed/awk/perl.

Hey I'm with you janter. I'm a drag/drop kinda guy myself. Maybe it's a generational thing, I don't know. Anyway, keep your eye out in the WebOS Development forums, in the next few weeks I'll be releasing my new app called FFplayer. It plays music from a file/folder structure, rather than from playlists. However I will later be adding to it the functionality for on-device M3U creation which can then be transferred back to your PC for later use.

Why wouldn't you want your portable music experience to be a mirror of what you have on your desktop that transfers automatically?

Yeah, I can drag and drop a hundred different albums and songs and recreate playlists or I can hit sync.

@jonathan
Because I have 250GB of music... Most of it's never tagged properly and seldom has album art. So I arrange everything by folder. Maybe when Palm releases a Pre with a 250GB hard drive, then i'll give syncing a try.

It's nice to have playlists syncing with my Pre.
Double-twist isn't that hard to deal with. Of course, I really preferred just using iTunes.

yeah I don't get the syncing bit. I'm guessing the sync programs think that you want to have the same data (music) that's on your home device (desktop/laptop) on your mobile device. I put every cd I buy (good or bad) on my computer and shelve the OG. So I have a pretty large library and syncing is out the question. Is there an option in these programs that you can check which songs or pictures to sync on your home machine before you connect your mobile device. That way it will disregard all other filed except the ones you want to sync. Still drag and drop seems to work best for me.

It is all about Playlists. If I plug n my phone I want to be able to sync the songs, videos and TV shows or photos that I choose or need at any given time. Otherwise it's just always random tunes thrown on.

As storage on Palm devices goes up they need to sort this out. I am a Mac user and I organise my music video and photos through iTunes, so I just want a solution to mirror it. Doubletwist is slow as hell and clunky on a MAc, not sure about Windows. It doesn't support video or TV series sync either.

It's not even just playlists for me. I've got a not even huge nimber of songs on my PC - 2000. Obv, they're not all going on the Pre. Picking and removing the odd 950 songs that Are Going on the Pre is easier to keep track of my music and collection via syncing. The cloud is not the answer for me, doesn't work with NaNplayer or without data/wifi running. That said, NaNplayer is good enough I have been able to tolerate the lack of a decent sync program on Linux for a few months, but man, if there was a decent one around, I would be using the hell out of it and would have listened to more new music, too.

I still think MediaMonkey is the best solution. You can use MediaSync, and it brings along your playlists, etc. Plus you can customize it (unlike iTunes).

ya I use media monkey myself cause I like how I can tag the album art and the fact all I do is go through my music check off the songs I want put on my phone hit sync and I have it set up ONLY to sync what's checked off.

I used to be a drag and drop person. Until I found out that I can just open media monkey check off the music I want on my phone hit the sync button and walk away. Mediamonkey basically goes through the tedious drag and drop for me so I'm not sitting there... Drag... Drop.. Ok one song... Drag ... Drop.. Ok two songs.. Now I just check off a block of songs hit one button and Monkey does the rest for me and brings over my album art too... Not to mention the ability of making playlists.. Seeing I have a Sprint Pre I'm limited on space so it takes me 5min just to remove one playlist and sync a new playlist for when I am in a deadzone and can't use my Slacker radio... Gotta love being in old buildings with old metal air ducts that messes up everyone signal.... Even my Verizon friends have problems.

The Desktop part isn't a problem for me, unfortunately I hate the Music Player app, even the Remix.

Have you tried the latest version of my Music Player (Remix) app: http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/music-player-remix-20-beta. It has been completely re-designed. Try it out and let me know what you think.

I don't have enough room on my Pre to even sync my music. 8GB on my Sprint Pre sucks.

Songbird no longer supports Linux. Please update your post/article.

problem i've always had with songbird is it uses a lot more resources then even itunes. but i just use an old itunes version instead. but then again i don't use my pre for music as i prefer my old 80GB ipod.

i need directions on how to sync with song bird please . how can i get my palm pre to show up in song bird ?

I've just spent the last hour fooling with this thing. It's terrible. What are these guys thinking.So slow it borders on unusable. I have tried this program several times on windows and Linux. It has always seemed to be all concept and no execution. The latest Media Monkey continues to be the best option for putting music on the Pre IME.

It's nice to see I'm not the only one who thinks the syncing is painful on my webOS phone. I gave up trying doubletwist and media monkey; went back to an older version of itunes. It does my music and photos just fine. If I create a new playlist on my ipod that I want on my phone, I check the box and it syncs.

I hope 2.0 has all of this worked out a whole lot better for us.

I have tried and I can't sync with DoubleTwist or SongBird. They both "finish" the sync but there is no more storage used on my device and no music is seen by the music app. I have over 7GB but nothing shows

WOW! PLEASE TELL ME WHICH IS FASTER! I HAVE BEEN USING DOUBLE TWIST AND SUPOSSEDLY I HAVE ABOUT 6 GIGS WORTH OF MUSIC WHICH ITS VERY DOUBFUL IT SOME HOW HAS FOUND OTHER MUSIC LITTLE PREVIEWS OF WHEN IM DOWNLODING MUSIC AND IT HAS SYNCED THEM TO MY PRE WHICH IS STUPID I HATE DOUBLE TWIST ITS SUPER SLOW TOO AM DOCTORING MY PRE AND I WANT TO KNOW WHICH IS BETTER TO SYNC! I DO AM TAKING FULL ADVANTAGE OF MY PRE BUT MY MUSIC IS VERY IMPORTANT I NEED TO KNOW I AM DOCTORING MY PRE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BUT I NEED TO KNOW WHICH IS FASTER TO SYNC CAUSE IM AM DONE WITH DOUBLE TWIST GRANTED IM AM USING A COMPUTER THAT IS OLD AND CRAMMED WITH STUFF SO IT IS SLOW AS WELL BUT ITS GOOD ENOUGH TO DO THE JOB WITH A GOOD PIECE OF SOFWARE SO PLEASE LET ME KNOW I AM BUYING A NEW COMP SOON LOL

here... try some decaf.

O.o ! Idont want coffee! I want answers!

why does double twist take so long o sync! is media monkey fast to sync? double twist take the whole night to sync all my music and im doctoring my pre