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Sony buys out Ericsson's half of partnership, neither confirms nor denies the possibility of webOS 74

by Derek Kessler Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:01 am EDT

Don’t put too many eggs in this basket, but it’s worth noting anyway. Today Sony Ericsson is no more, with Sony buying out Ericsson’s half of the partnership for €1.05 billion (US$1.48 billion). What exactly Sony’s going to do with the entire cellular device enterprise under their wing, we don’t entirely know, but we do know that they’re pretty well entrenched in the Android camp, what with the specialized Android-running Experia Play “Playstation Phone”.

But could there be another OS in Sony’s mobile future? CEO Sir Howard Stringer confirmed that the move was in part to shut down the basic handset operations, which would lead us to assume they’re going to focus on Android. Ever the gentlemen, Stringer hedged his bets when prompted on other OS’s, specifically the possibility of Sony buying webOS from HP. Said Stringer: “Never say never.”

We’re not taking “Never say never” to mean that Sony’s actively pursuing webOS, but it’s an intriguing possibility. We wouldn’t be surprised if they were one of the dozen-or-so companies rumored to have expressed interest in webOS, and they certainly would make more sense than Nikon. But more sense than Amazon? It’s hard to say, both companies have made a fairly significant commitment to Android just by their actions, with Amazon going so far as to build their own Android app storefront and a tablet off the OS, while Sony’s released multiple tablets and smartphones running Android, as well as coded their Playstation emulator to work on the platform.

But considering how executives at HTC, Qualcomm, and Samsung have shot down webOS speculation, it’s worth noting that Stringer notably did not. In fact, he seems to have been rather coy about it. Software’s always been Sony’s weak point; combining the wonderful webOS software with fabulous Sony hardware… that could be a very good thing.

Source: Android Central, Pocket-lint; Thanks to everybody that sent this in!

74 Comments

it probably would be a nice pairing of software and hardware... but if sony buys webOS homebrew will be screwed.

And that would be the only thing i would take granted in this deal.

But i say, its never too late to change business behaviour! ;)

I don't think so...

The webos Internals did nothing beyond follow the Palm/HP instructions, and give the missing support to users without make the companies lose money...

Remember: the Sony fight again Piracy, and not exactly the homebrewers.

If can be showed how is working now, MAYBE we can have a good chance... why not? ;-)

For other side... the Sony spent $ 1.4 Bi now, why spend more $?$?$? for webOS soon? :-/

I don't know if they would like this now... :-\

Best Regards... B)

I am just happy that webOS didn't get a big fat NO again :D

"The webos Internals did nothing beyond follow the Palm/HP instructions, and give the missing support to users without make the companies lose money...

Remember: the Sony fight again Piracy, and not exactly the homebrewers."

Yes, but there are problems with that:

Palm/HP Instruction are not SONY Instructions and are subject to change upon any buyout

The Sony "fight against Piracy" almost requires them to block homebrew in their minds.

Regardless, if they bought out Ericsson, they had a reason. Let's just see what happens.

"Nice pairing?" Are you familiar w/ their software offerings? web OS will become 'bloat OS' overnight. And they may just start charging more for the Sony name on the hardware.

Despite web OS' current shape, a purchase by this company will be a sad thing for the platform. Then again, maybe the fabled Palm jinx will finally put Sony out of its misery. :)

webOS is what I would consider a toxic asset. I honestly don't see any company risking capital on it. Maybe someone will buy the patents if they are of value but to purchase webOS to release new devices will result in failure.

Anyone analyzing webOS history can easily see it's not the OS but the mismanagement of its overseers. It's not toxic in my opinion.

Think of webOS as Lindsey Lohan, and HP as her handlers. HP sends out Lindsey/webOS with some **** makeup and expects no body will notice it's strung out on sub par hardware. Maybe with the right camp, Lindsey/webOS will rise again! ...okay, I was trying to be funny, but this is just disturbing... far too early

Fans of any kind always blame the marketing, etc. for the failure of product or technology that they love. You like it, so the product must be great, right? It just was mishandled.

Palm was a little too small. HP was a little too big. I'm sure the next company that comes along will be "juuuuust right", Goldilocks.

It WAS mishandled. Why else would the current leaders in mobile be implementing webOS elements into their latest updates? Did you see the "big reveal" of Ice Cream Sandwich? That had webOS written all over it.

Perhaps if there still are potential buyers of webOS, the transaction should just happen quietly. The new owner can integrate the best of webOS and keep the rest of the patents for insurance against lawsuits.

"Why else would the current leaders in mobile be implementing webOS elements into their latest updates?"

Because they are good UI ideas. That doesn't mean it was a good PRODUCT.

No "current leaders" are implementing their OSes being mostly disconnected from the GPU attached to the SoC that powers their devices.

No "current leaders" are implementing WebOS memory management so that their devices randomly tell users they cannot start a new function due to memory leaks.

No "current leaders" are insisting upon no onscreen phone keyboards and portrait orientation for the vast majority of the OS (Even on Windows Phone, the only thing restricted to portrait-only are the the two main screens).

You get my point.

It is a combination of things. This has been true for every OS that advances the user experience but did not succeed (OS/2, Amiga, etc.). The key is most people are not going to take the chance to try something new, even if it is better, because they will stick with what they know....unless you can get the new thing in front of them so they can actually touch it and see it is easier to use.

Various things can get people to try it....create a "cool" factor (Apple), killer apps or lower cost apps (open source Android), market monopoly (MS Windows). WebOS could not crack the "cool" factor in all the iPhone noise, it did not have enough handsets to flood the market, and the number of apps is a chicken and egg situation.

So nothing about the issues within webOS itself comes into play? Quite a few people took a chance on webOS. Many of those rejected it due to OS issues (lacking features) long before their sub-par devices started breaking down (read: before their trial period was up).

I agree with this. I just don't understand the statements on this site that basically try to say "webOS was a success, it's just that the products that uses it (and the company that managed it) failed).

Close--He's not buying a "Nexus Galaxy S2" either. He's buying a Droid. I actually corrected a Verizon salesperson who was adamant that "All these phones are Droids," whether they were Motorola's Droids or not. Before long I even had my mother trying to tell him, "No, Droid is Motorola's trademark licensed from George Lucas, Android is Google's operating system, and *this* is called a Thunderbolt and it's by HTC." That was funny. My mother is not a technical person by any stretch, but she is surrounded by her gadget geek sons.

WebOS was available globally and on every major US carrier, but T-Mobile. One made it a flagship device, even. It's been sired by two companies, countless ad campaigns, and billions invested across manufacturing and R&D. At one point, its userbase was around +/- 2 million.

PEOPLE TRIED IT AND WERE EXPOSED TO IT. It just never caught on. It was never a success. No shame in admitting that.

I'm afraid it IS the OS.

It's been on three form factors (Pixi, Pre, Touchpad) across two companies and almost always on state-of-the-art hardware horsepower (TI OMAP in 2009, dual-core Snapdragon more powerful than tegra 2 in 2011, 1.4 ghz single core on Pre 3).

Numerous ad campaigns from Palm, Sprint, Verizon, Bell, HP, and others are way more than most other devices get.

WebOS is a toxic asset that has NEVER succeeded commercially. You can talk about it being the best or your favorite, and that's always open to SUBJECTIVE debate. but OBJECTIVELY, It's always lost money for whoever got involved with it whether you're a carrier, manufacturer, or even a shareholder.

deihmos and Jerrydan3, If only you knew what you was talking about. Don't let the lack of continued rebuttals to your weak argument make you think that you got your point across. Anyone here can easily trash your statements but they just don't feel like wasting time. WebOS "toxic"?...yet you are here on Precentral!!!

I repeat, separate your personal feelings for WebOS, its design sensibilities, and whatever else for the moment.

Look at it STRICTLY from an objective business point of view. Using any sort of metrics (marketshare, net income generated, carrier subscriptions, etc.), there is NO WAY you can call WebOS anything other than a failure. Nothing wrong with saying that. I've liked restaurants that have closed. I've liked software that didn't sell and is no longer made. I bought music from bands that got dropped from their record labels or disbanded and were never heard from again. People here like a phone and tablet product that is a failure. That's not an argument...it's a fact.

Why is it so bad or mean or whatever to admit that? Why would it diminish your enjoyment of it?

Well Duh. Of course its a failure from any metric you look at it. Who said it wasn't? No seriously... who said WebOS wasn't a failure? However this mini thread was started by deihmos' statement that it was a failure because of the OS itself and you supported that statement. So we are talking about why it was a failure are we not. A few such as myself chimed in to saying it was poor management and NOT WebOS itself. Liking/loving the operating system is not saying we are blind to how it failed in the marketplace. I can't understand how you cannot see how poor management let to the failure.

Management are the powers behind a product that decide more than just how to advertise a product. The flaws/missing features could of been fixed just as Android and iOS was not perfect when they started out. But Apple and Google consistently updated their OS's because their management directed them to do so. Palm/HP HP never put the money in to add more API's to the SDK. They never made it a priority to add missing features which should have been there in the 1st place. Or to optimize the OS with the hardware/GPU the OS would feel silky smooth(apple like). They never set the bar high when they decided to put the OS on cheap low spec'ed hardware. These was all MANAGEMENT decisions.

As I said elsewhere, the SoC on the Touchpad is measurably more powerful than the Tegra 2 powering Honeycomb devices and the TI OMAP in the original Pre was class leading in June of 2009, so guess what...it WAS the OS that failed during both big debuts.

I guess if you're splitting a hair on a hair on a hair, you could say that it was mismanagement when they "decided" to not have an optimized GPU-accelerated OS for all of 2+ years or to leave out APIs or to create a crappy development environment (Mojo) that they had to abandon to scale it to tablets. I seriously doubt these were conscious decisions in those particular contexts, but whatever.

In that case, since NO product is sentient and can make the decisions regarding its development, then NO product fails. Microsoft Kin wasn't a failure. new Coke wasn't a failure. No decision or product is. Only its creators and handlers. Better?

I disagree. It's the OS that is the problem. It is still not up to the quality of other operating system. Consumers want something that is fast, great quality apps to use and webOS lacks all of those qualities. After almost 3 years the least they could have done was make things a little faster at least. Using webOS right now after experiencing android is so frustrating because of how slow it is.

I am here because I originally bought a Palm Pre on launch day and it was good at the time but after all the waiting most people jumped ship. Where is the document editing for phones that was promised so long ago? And don't talk about the many bugs that just never got fixed and the slow UI. What is great about a UI if it is going to be so laggy? When I look at webOs now and compare it to what launched back in 2009 I have to wonder what the engineers were doing in the last 2+ years.

I totally agree that there are a lot of things that should have been addressed in all that time.

1) Mic API should have come out much sooner than it did. No SoundHound or anything like it was even possible on this platform because those behind the scenes (management or whoever) didn't think it was important enough to work on?

2) Threaded email. We STILL don't have this. The Pre 3 touts "business class email," yet comes with the same email app. While I like this email app, there are still plenty of things missing (check boxes for moving/deleting multiple items at once).

3) Your point about the hardware is valid. The Pre's & Pixi's were laggy but that was because the hardware was not up to par to run the OS.
My Pre 2 running at 1GHz is extremely buttery smooth (and I've only heard how awesome the Pre 3 runs). But the UI is not slow when put on the correct hardware.

On my Pre Plus, yes it was frustrating that the Calendar or Messaging app too 2-5 seconds to open (initially, of course, it was instantaneous to switch it it afterwards) when doing so on iOS or Android had little to no lag/delay. But on my Pre 2 it is what it should be: instant. (maybe a full second).

webOS problem all along was that it got off to a bad start (palm's financial situation at the time) and took too long to catch up. Had the platform launched with the Pre 2 hardware, I truly see it (objectionably) as a runaway success if they could have launched different form factors shortly (6 months) after (slab, landscape slider, etc. with a variety of screen sizes).

Of two minds about this. If HP were to outright sell webOS, I think Sony may well be the best home for it. However, I think I would rather see a strategic alliance between HP and Sony to develop the platform and ecosystem. JMHO.

Gargoyle

I’ve been hoping for Sony to buy webOS before HP did... Now is the time Sony, go for it, could be your (and ours) last chance

Thinking of Super 8, MiniDisc, ATRAC and BluRay I can hardly believe that webOS would have become such a great OS as it is if it would have been a Sony OS from the very first day. Maybe more succesful, but I would rather have chosen something else.

HTC/RIM would have been the best choice to my opinion. Unlike HP, who built horrible unsuccessful devices before Palm became part of them, HTC had a big userbase before - which would have been a motivation to techies building more apps - and so that would be a great motivation for users buying the webOS devices.

He also said it "wasn't something they were thinking about". Therefore, I'd say this one is very unlikely, although I think Sony is one of those companies that may be able to do it well, leveraging WebOS across phones, TVs, tablets, blu-ray, etc.

Said it in the other thread, and I'll say it here...

Look at Sony's track record with Android:

- perpetually delayed devices with no brand cache or credibility in the US with carriers or consumers
- ZERO experience making great portrait QWERTY smartphones (which is what WebOS phones require). All of their QWERTY smartphones of late have been landscape, which is useless.
- plasticky builds with hardware buttons and uninspired design (Who, honestly, wants to stick WebOS on an Xperia Play?)
- Horrible Timescape UI on Android devices shows where their design sensibilities lie.
- Complete market indifference to them leveraging Sony brands like Playstation, bravia Display, Qriocity music store and Reality Engine on their phones and tablets. In other words, their "ecosystem" isn't worth a hill of beans.

If there's anyone you don't want making WebOS devices, it's Sony.

Sony loves to have their own proprietary stuff. It must just make their skin crawl to use the same common phone OS as everyone else (Android). I could see them wanting WebOS. They'd really like to be the next Apple. Even though in terms of focus they are the anti-Apple, with a broad, diffuse, disorganized product line (just look at all the almost-the-same camcorder models).

They wouldn't be my first choice to pick up the WebOS banner but it would be better than WebOS dying.

I was saying this last year and I will say it again, Sony needs to buy webos. Sony makes incredible hardware and devices, but everything is siloed. If I buy a book on my Sony e-reader I can't view it on a Sony tablet, if I rent a movie on my ps3 I can't view it on my Sony Internet tv in the bedroom, if I buy a song on a Walkman it isn't synced to my Sony phone, if I play a game on my ps3 in the living room I can't pick up where I left off on my ps3 in the bedroom, it is just a mess on how none of their devices connect with each other. Webos can change that for Sony if they were to buy it and incorporate it throughout their line up. The same way Microsoft is bringing metro, Xbox, and Zune to all their products, Sony could bring webos, playstation, and Sony entertainment to all their products. This really needs to happen.

The same way HP could tie together The HP Movie Store, beats Audio, and phones, tablets, PCs and printers?

That really seemed to work out for HP and spike consumer interest, huh?

Hp movie store? Beats audio? Really? I didn't even know hp had a movie and beats audio is kinda cool, but that is a feature not a service. My point with Sony is that all their hardware and entertainment stores are separate. You have the playstation store where you can get games and movies, quirosity for music, Sony bookstore for e-books, and Sony movie store for movies online. But all these stores have different log-ins, exist on different devices, and my purchases don't move from one to the other. They could use something like webos to unify it all, have one market place, one ecosystem that they can control. With android they get a phone and tablet os with a marketplace controled by another company and another siloed store (you think if I buy a playstation game on a Sony Xperia play I could access that game on my psp or ps3?) and does nothing to tie in their other devices.

And for us webos users it would mean a platform with Sony entertainment, music, e-books, playstation games, Sony hardware and design. And if your a developer, suddenly it gets interesting as you can make a webos app that can be accessed on numourus devises. As long as its excecuted right, this has a ton of potential.

Sony tried leveraging Playstation games onto Android - Nobody cared.

They put "Bravia" screens and "Reality Engine" display technology to make photos and other select graphics even more vivid - Nobody cared.

Sony's eReaders....well, nobody cares about them by themselves let alone integrated with another device.

Nobody cares about yet ANOTHER music store. Apparently, they get hacked regularly, so your data isn't really safe with them either.

WebOS solves exactly NONE of these problems. How would you incorporate the look and feel of WebOS retroactively onto every Playstation there is? WHY would you?

Microsoft did this organically by starting the Metro UI on Zune, Office, SkyDrive and Xbox. THEN, they brought it the phones. Now, Windows. Sony has already launched these services with custom UIs and fonts that have nothing to do with WebOS. If anything, they would need to contort WebOS to look like their current products, which....well, they suck.

Yeah, they don't care because it is separated. Don't you think the playstation store on the xpieria would have done a little better if whatever game was purchased there could also be played on psp, ps3, and s1 or s2? Don't you think the Sony reader store would be a little more relevant if it also available on their phones and tablets? Wouldn't qrocity make a bigger dent if it was available on all Sony devices? Wouldn't the movie store be a little more successful if the movie you bought or rented was viewable on your tablet, phone, psp, and big screen tv? Sony has the ecosystem, they just need to bring everything together.

And yes, their current software sucks, that's why you buy webos, to get some software which Sony seems incapable of making themselves.

Edit: on porting webos to other devices like playstation. I didn't say the ui would be the same, just the underlying os would be webos, much like how apple tv uses iOS but it looks nothing like the iOS running on the iPhone or iPad.

Why would you power a console with WebOS? Or Sony's TV's? They're a manufacturer of Google TV boxes, so now they take whatever equity they built up there and throw it out window?

Why would you want PS3 games so watered down that they'd run on a handheld or smartphone?

How would WebOS help consolidate the multiple logins needed for Sony products? They could do that without purchasing an OS.

This just doesn't make any sense.

No, the games wouldn't be watered down at all, much like Xbox games aren't watered down because of Xbox live on windows phone, playstation 3 games would still be what they always are.

It helps consolidate because all their devices would be speaking the same language and their services would instead be apps that could be loaded on any of their devices. So instead of the playstation store only being on playstation, you could then get to it on a tablet or phone, same with their movies store, music store, and e-reader store. What makes it so difficult now is that lets say you rent a movie in the playstation store, it has drm built in that the playstation 3 can unlock with your playstation id, but on your phone or tablet there is no place to log in, nor do we know if it would even possible to unlock the drm without the playstation 3 hardware. If they are all running the same unified platform and the drm is set for that platform it would be much simpler for those purchases to exists from one device to another. If I rent a movie on my iPhone, I can also view it on my iPad and apple tv. But if I rent a movie on my ps3, I can't view it on my Sony google tv in the bedroom, nor would I be able to view it on my Sony phone or tablet if I had one.

Here is an easier analogy, just think apple ecosystem where everything works together (iPod = Walkman, iPhone = Xperia, iPad = S1, Mac = Vaio, apple tv = PS3, iTunes = Qrocity+playstation store+movie store, iBooks = Sony reader store), only with Sony hardware and webos software.

Are iOS games and apps sold in the Mac Store? Are Xbox 360 games playable on Windows Phone?

The gaming component of this is a non-starter. As for the book, movies, or music.....big whoop. EVERY platform has that integrated now.

iPod was a mega-successful brand that was leveraged to help sell the iPhone which was leveraged to help sell the iPad, and so on.

What successful brand does Sony have aside from Playstation (which, again, is a non-starter across devices)?

Qriocity? Bravia? Walkman? Frickin' Vaio? No one cares about these separately. Tying them together to imitate Xbox Live or iTunes won't change that. Microsoft is tying Widnows Phone to SUCCESSFUL ubiquitous products like Windows, office, and Kinect. Same for Apple. What successful products can Sony tie WebOS to? Not PS3 (not to mention they tried with the Xperia Play, and it was a failure).

Ok, because they have yet to get a hit means they should just pack up and quit? Or keep banging their heads with their same flawed model they have been doing which has resulted in no hit products other than Playstation? Did you also think Microsoft should have dropped the Xbox after the first gen failed? Should they drop tablets since they haven't had a hit tablet in the 10 years they've been makin them? Should apple have just dropped the Mac when it was floundering and losin to windows? All the more reason to try something new, something to differentiate themselves in the market, something that could be better. The potential is there if they can excecute, I guess you just don see it.

I agree the potential is there. I just don't think adopting a new phone OS and trying to integrate everything with THAT instead of integrating the new phone OS with everything they already have is the answer. In fact, I don't think them owning a phone OS is the answer at all since they put out crappy phones to run it. I mean, that Xperia line is pure dreck. Read the Engadget review of the Xperia Arc: http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/30/sony-ericsson-xperia-arc-review/

Apple built on the iOS and iTunes bedrock from day one. Microsoft is slowly integrating the Metro UI across all devices. Sony could create a single login without any new OS, but they would have a nightmare trying to reverse engineer what they have into looking anything like WebOS does now.

Exactly. Look at the potential ecosystem HP could have put together with all of the acquisitions and partnerships it had made. Just cuz' you acquire it doesn't mean you can integrate it in a timely manner.

- Palm -- WebOS, mobile device operating system
- Phoenix's Hyperspace -- Instant-On Booting
- Vidyo (partnership) -- High quality teleconferencing / video chat
- Melodeo's nuTsie -- Music streaming service
- Boston-Power batteries (2009 partnership) -- Longer lasting battery
- Snapfish (2005 acquisition) -- Photo publishing and printing
- Motionbox -- Video publishing
- 3PAR -- Cloud storage service
- Roxio Movies - Downloadable movie service

As I said on twitter, don't do this to me. I was finally coming to terms with the fact that webOS is dead, like dead. And now this. There is no real hope, so why do this to all of us poor webOS fans and loyalists? I don't have the strength for another rejection..

Never say never = WP7, not webOS.

Nobody in this industry would stick their neck out on webOS after seeing the two noteable companies try and fail on it. (and yeah, with 2 *billion* sunk into it, HP tried.)

-Suntan

I seriously doubt Sony would make a Windows Phone 7 phone. Microsoft and Sony compete in enough places that it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Yeah, Sony sells Windows laptops, but Windows is hugely popular and is practically a requirement to sell PC's whereas WP7 is not so much on phones. Also, WP7 puts a lot more content right in your face. Xbox Live and Zune live right there on the homepage, direct competitors to PlayStation and Qriocity. I have a hard time believing Sony would sell devices that serve as a direct portal to competing services unless something went horribly wrong with Android.

I'm sick of all the speculations, just shut down already. ITS OVER!!!

Nice. Sony is less inept than Hp, perhaps they can make webOS live up to its potential.

Sony??! oh please no. They will lock webOS up so tight homebrewers will never get back in. Preware will be considered an illegal hack. They will make everything proprietary.

I think Sony might be the only reason on this earth I would drop webOS

This is what would happen if Sony declined webOS.
Palm User: Cm'on Sony buy webOS

*5 weeks later and Sony declines webOS*....

Palm User: FU** YOU SONY! I'M NEVER BUYING ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR GO**** PRODUCTS AGAIN!

Hey some guys did that when Samsung denied it.

well sony has palm credits:

http://pocketpccentral.net/palm/sonydevices.htm

Clié where great handsets in their time.

It would be a homecoming for me hardware wise...and I guess we would have movies and music then? And we would have nice cameras on the phones and slab devices.

Better than a wipe out...

Lets all think back to the fact that SONY has already partnered with PALM for the beautiful CLIE series of WebOS devices. They were cutting edge and bought a bold look to the field. My last CLIE device was the TX. If they had made it into a phone then, APPLE would have never had a chance in the smart phone field.

I for one would hope that SONY can capture lightning one more time and give us the SONY style experience they should have given us before. I hung on to that TX forever hoping it would morph into a phone, and only jumped to a smart phone when PALM gave us the Pre. This could only be a good thing!

If anybody wants to take it a step further, lets not forget that there once was a cutting edge phone produced by SONY ERICCSON that only failed because it ran on AT&T, but in its day it was badass!

Sony was the one that extended PalmOS beyond what Palm was willing to do. This made it a better OS then was originally. Unfortunately, you needed to buy a more expensive Sony device to get those enhancements.

But this speaks to a possibility of Sony getting WebOS. But PalmOS was in its prime at the time and WebOS is marginalized. I'm not sure that putting a marginalized OS on a marginalized phone brand would make good business sense.

But one can only hope it happens and it revitalizes both products.

I think we really have to face the fact that NOBODY wantes WebOS... this "story" is not much of one, pure speculation... there is no news for us poor WebOS users other than it really appears to be a dead software now. I will use my Pre 2 on Verizon until it dies but we all need to face the fact that there will be no new hardware for us ever again...

The only thing anyone would buy webos for is to incorporate the good elements into their own OS... webOS as a standalone mobile OS is dead. There is no room for them anymore, they've had their chances. The days are coming when it will be ios, android, and maybe Windows. Webos and RIM are going to be no more (with webos winning that race by a sizable margin).

Harsh? Yes, but that's the reality. I love webos on my Sprintified pre2 and my touchpad, but seriously look at the competition. They are leaps and bounds ahead and webos is stalled due to HPs epic ineptitude.

My money is on webOS being **** d out to Master Lock the doorknob manufacturer so everybody can have a turn.
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw webOS pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

compatnies probably do/would want webOS, but ill bet HP puts them all off asking for unreasonable/full prices for something they heavily dropped the ball on and tarnished the reputation of.

If HP had done what they said and "supported" webOS and at least still sold 1 single hardware line runnign it and not just given lip service then perhaps, but they havent, plus they have sacked pretty much all capable hardware/software engineers used to the platforms.

the fault is not webOS its HP, was before, is now.

HP's fault was simply expecting to sell these devices at a profit for the foreseeable future. That's it.

Otherwise, they gave WebOS all of the resources, developer support, WebOS Internals Support (remember the donated server?), ad support, and retail support (Touchpads pretty much everywhere) that it needed.

They slashed prices to spike sales. They even followed Palm's designs to the bitter end.

The vast majority of the failure was the product, not the company executing it.

Many would not agree.

Funny, they all seemed to agree as HP made these moves and were cheered on on these very boards time and time again.

Criticism only set in after the fact and after the people who made it when it was RELEVANT were banned or otherwise silenced.

Ok Jerry, so how then do you explain the fact (yes FACT) that the 16 & 32GB TPads where the NUMBER 2 & NUMBER 7 BEST SELLING tablets on Amazon at $299 and $399?? Fake out by Amazon? Shills? :rolleyes:

People having SEEN what webOS is are still hunting for the device and are HAPPILY paying mid to upper $200'S for the device in its current DEAD state. Explain that one it you don't mind.

Gladly. The fact is that the prices on the Amazon bestseller lists for the Touchpad are $199 and $235 for the 16GB and 32GB, respectively. Where you are pulling $299 and $399 from is a mystery.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/1232597011/ref=zg_bs_nav

For that money, you get a tablet with hardware beyond anything anyone else can sell at that price point (because the competitors like staying in the tablet business unlike HP) PLUS you can turn it into an Android tablet if you're technically inclined. HP lost hundreds of dollars on each of those units being resold, so it was a MASSIVE failure. Great for bargain-hunting consumers, tho.

BTW, the number one tablet on that same page is the Kindle Fire, which is outselling Touchpads with way more specs and bigger screens. It's not even out, yet, so that domination will probably only strengthen once people can touch it and buy it. Also, the iPad 2 16GB is outselling the Touchpad 32GB on that very same page despite costing almost twice the price with half the storage. So....yeah...

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hmmm idk i rather amazon buy webos

I still say Nikon is a good contender - although not for the phone business. They do a lot of imaging - medical and microscope. They need a touchscreen OS- the one they have is tab based, awkward and feels 20 years old (I think it is).

webOS makes a lot of sense for them and would also allow them web-based help/support and data upload. The bluetooth interface would allow a pen tablet and keyboard as well.

They could do with webOS what HP said it was going to.

But no phones for us :(

Never Say Never: Was that CEO Sir Who's-it referring to Justin Bieber's hideous movie? We're doomed!

Palm could have gone to Nokia, Google or Sony 16mos ago but it all likelihood senor Palm mgt (think Ruby) would get the hook.

HP was the only firm who knew little enough about the mobile market to leave entrenched Palm mgt in place. That was mistake #1.

Ruby and his crew blew it on the design front by falling in love with smooth, chubby plastic shapes.

They refused, even under HP's financial umbrella to embrace the market demand for 4-4.3" slab phones with top specs.

They refused or were incapable of engineering SW that took advantage of GPUs.

Fire Ruby on June 15th 2010 and HP may still be selling a much better TP and have a 4.3 slab to rival the Bionic, Razr or even Galaxy Nexus.

Sell Palm to any of the firms above especially Google and WebOS UI, multitasking, etc would live on a myriad of phones and tablets.

No offense but the combination of HP and Palm was the blind leading the deaf scenario from day one.

Many people had been saying this especially since the beginning of the year when we saw the pitiful Veer and Pre3.

Most objective people knew they just saw Palm shoot itself in the foot.

While the avg fan was gung ho about the HP purchase it was b/c they were desperate for any savior.

If you cross a desert with no water for 100s of miles the water in the toilet looks mighty appealing at the end.

I wasn't impressed with HP consumer products two years ago, so I knew webOS was in even more trouble when HP bought Palm. I wasn't excited about the transaction at all, and the events of the last year proved I was right about HP.

When I saw the Veer announcement, I was like "what?". But I would have LOVED to replace my dying Pre- with a Pre 3.

I can't wait for my Sony WebOS 65" TV! :)

webOS TV: "TMC" is no longer just a channel identifier.

This is worse than believing in the Great Pumpkin.

According to the Jobs Bio, he claimed he had figured out how to make a proper Apple TV. It would be interesting if Sony took this so seriously that they believed webOS was worth a look.

As a PS3 owner, I can easily say that extending their current PS3 shell wouldn't work well in integrating web services and TV. However, webOS could. It's at least interesting, and right now I'll take any hope.

PS3 with real multitasking would be great, but I would still rather have a Phone :)

Sony made awesome Palm hardware back in the day. Carried a CLIE NX-80 for years. YEARS! In many ways that machine was better and more useful than my Pre Plus or the iPhone 4S that will be arriving at my door in the next couple of days. They even extended the OS beyond what Palm could do.

Yeah, Sony might lock it down, and any buyer will have to be able to leverage content (as do Google and Apple) and not just harware, but Sony at least has a foot in that space.

At this point, however, it probably doesn't matter. It's all about buying or duplicting features, not the whole OS.

I also wonder, again, if the abstractness of the WebOS design was part of its problem. The idea for pure web apps is cool, as is a from-the-ground-up multi-tasking kernel, but you've got to have decent ties to the hardware to make the thing really cook. They got the integration sort of together later, but that disorganization and delay probably contributed to their downfall in a big way.

Well, that and the limitations of their portrait slider-only design fetish.

Sigh...

The big problem with this article is that it's based on a misquote - what Stringer actually said was

"We never say never, but we're not thinking about it at the moment."

But I guess that version would not generate as many hits.