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TouchPad to ship with Flash 10.3 beta 76

by Derek Kessler Thu, 09 Jun 2011 4:06 pm EDT

Adobe Flash on webOS has had a long sordid history. It was supposed to come early in our favorite mobile operating system’s life, but didn’t make it onto the platform until webOS 2.0 was finally released. By then, we were looking at Adobe Flash 10.1, which runs okay on the Pre 2 with its 1GHz processor and 512MB of RAM. But what of the HP TouchPad (due out at the start of next month)? Well, we knew from the start that it was going to run Flash, and thanks to HP’s updated TouchPad page (hp.com/touchpad, which redirects to typical HP indecipherables), we can confirm that it’s the tablet-friendly Flash 10.3 beta, the same version that’s used on Android 3.0 tablets and the BlackBerry PlayBook. What’s this mean? It means that Flash is going to run like a lion chasing down a gazelle on the Serengeti (i.e. fast). Granted, it does help that the TouchPad will have a dual-core 1.2GHz processor and a full gigabyte of RAM to move things along, but tablet-optimized Flash is also a good thing to have on board.

Now, Flash 10.3 does have a lot of tablet-friendly goodies in it like gesture support and sub-pixel text rendering, but we aren't expecting much of that on the TouchPad. Why? Well, that's for Flash apps, while the TouchPad will just be running Flash in the browser.

Source: HP; Via: PalmPre-France

76 Comments

This is a great step in the right direction. HP is really starting to get the marketing momentum it needs to make WebOS huge.

Oh look... Flash is on WebOS. Just like they said it would be 2 years ago.

**HP is really starting to get the marketing momentum it needs to make WebOS huge. **

Swell, if HP keeps following in Android's footsteps, they might break out of the 2% market share!!!

HP - Imitate

Take that andoird! and iOS

Wasn't Flash 10.3 released on Android a couple of days ago (the 7th)?

You cant compare an advertising company like Google to a "high tech" company like HP that way, it isn't fair.

Huh? Google isn't a tech company? They've done some pretty technological things to not be.

Google is an advertising company. They dont sell their o/s. They barely sell devices. They use technology to drive their advertising platforms be it Android, Google or Chrome. They have harness technology while HP and Palm have tripped over it.

I have no idea what you are talking about. You are kidding yourself. I guess Ford is just an advertising company too? You are really grasping at straws here.

Ford makes cars, Ford sells cars, Ford hires Google to help them sell more car. Learn about Google, they're not a tech company, and they're not traditional advertising company either. They're very perceptive and very resourceful. If you think I'm a Google fanboi, I dislike them, but they've never lied to me and I will work with them carefully knowing full well what abilities and privileges they have.

Where have we seen this type of news before? LOL PS Still waiting for flash on my sprint pre.

looks like everyone is butthurt because it is true.

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This is great and everything, but WHERE is our Pre3 on Virgin Mobile, HP?!? I refuse to leave my Virgin Mobile plan just to get a Pre3 on another carrier. I have been a Virgin customer for 57 years, and if HP doesn't release the Pre3 on Virgin Mobile before the end of June, I don't see how it can survive!

57 years? that's amazing!
...especially considering that Virgin was only founded 41 years ago, and Virgin Mobile was initially launched in 1999 in the UK!

You're determined to keep trolling with variations on this comment, so I'll just respond now.

The people on Sprint are the original people Palm asked to take a leap of faith on an unknown OS and to sign a contract with a carrier they might not have otherwise. They also happen to be the most hardcore WebOS users around because they have turned down several Android superphones and gone through lots of refurbs just to wait for a new WebOS product.

Sounds like the kind of people you might want to service FIRST when relaunching said platform. Unpaid street teamers, you might think of them as. So it's a complete no-brainer for HP to offer whatever financial incentives/guarantees to Sprint are necessary to make this happen, not to mention the right thing to do.

But if you want them to keep bricking on Verizon and AT&T, where the reps go out of their way to sabotage any non-iOS/Android device and the stores barely stock the Pre 2 and Veer.....great. We can all watch them go down in flames together. I'd prefer to see them make a serious play to succeed, and that means keeping the loyal WebOS users on Sprint in the fold with a current device. That is THEIR responsibility, not Sprint's.

I'm also a Sprint customer with the original Pre, and I like what you have to say. Although, I think Sprint shares some of the responsibility in terms of maintaining customer satisfaction and listening to requests made in the Sprint forums. Some of us (me) have alternatives like joining a sibling's family plan with another carrier to follow webOS. This would mean I could jump ship with Sprint, and it wouldn't cost me a dime more on a month-to-month basis. My brother is also pushing for this because it would save him a few bucks a month.

Sprint more than fulfilled their side of the bargain, and they're wisely taking a wait and see attitude. Not sure if you noticed, but the prevailing ethic there these days is "Differentiated Handsets". Whether it's making the Atrix a global "4G' device with extra enterprise security as the Photon, or the Kyocera Echo or making the Evo 3D or exclusively carrying the data version of the HTC Flyer...they want different stuff.

HP hasn't (as of yet) offered them anything that other carriers don't have, and certainly nothing particularly different from the underwhelming Pre. That's on them. It's also on them to make financial guarantees to offset the rampant returns and repair costs Sprint absorbed with the original Pre. If HP is willing to invest in developers and app ports, they should be willing to invest in carriers.

So every carrier has webOS-phones and webOS-tablets? Wow, now I understand why Sprint doesn't want them...

I don't see the reason why ANY carrier should have "exclusive" deals. This is good for nobody except for the carriers. And even there only for those with the best lineup, which usually are the big ones...

What you need for the USA are phones that you can use with any carrier of YOUR choise. Then and only then prices will finally drop and you will see real competition.

If Sprint just sold the same phones as everyone else in the same configuration, they'd be quickly dying instead of slowly climbing out of their hole. The Evo was a landmark. If they simply carried a derivative of the Droid Incredible, no one would've cared. Same goes for the Epic. It was a Galaxy S phone with a keyboard and 4G. If it was just a Samsung Captivate, no one would care. The Arrive was a landmark being the first NoDo phone, the first HTC Windows Phone 7 device with a keyboard and the first CDMA Windows Phone 7 device. If they just got a HD7 like T-Mobile....no one would care.

Their prices are not enough of a differentiator, so it's certainly reasonable for them to want to partner with manufacturers to create unique phones. Being a CDMA carrier they're usually not going to get the hottest new devices first...so they have to make them. It's a survival strategy, and it seems to be working.

"If Sprint just sold the same phones as everyone else in the same configuration, they'd be quickly dying instead of slowly climbing out of their hole."

ROFL, oh really? So you're saying that Sprint offering the same iPhone 4 configuration that AT&T and Verizon sell would be a bad idea, while the Kyocera Echo is a raging success bringing Sprint to new heights of customer demand?

Excuse me while I laugh my tuchus off.

Could you have picked a sillier example? The iPhone 4 is a good idea for any carrier anywhere. It's the world's top device. And Sprint is bringing it aboard later this year. You can't differentiate that handset because Apple owns the experience from top to bottom.

I think the Echo is a great idea HORRIBLY implemented by the wrong manufacturer. It's the inverse of the Veer to me, which is a damn good implementation by a very good manufacturer of a horrible idea.

You're the one who claimed that bizarre phones that nobody wants are a "good idea," and that if Sprint sold the phone everyone else sold, they'd be worse off. Your argument is clearly nonsense, as I so aptly demonstrated. :)

LOL. Yeah, I said selling bizarre phones that no one wants like the Evo and 4G versions of the Atrix and Nexus S are a good idea. Because...well it is a good idea.

Their prices are not enough? Is Sprint such a "bad" carrier that even if they were cheaper and every carrier selling the same phones they could not compete?

I always here (especially here on PC) that people don't want to switch from Sprint because of the good quality, service and price. What is correct now?

I would rather say: Sprint would greatly benefit from a more open market. Closed markets tend to be in favor of big companies that build mono- or duopolies, while being bad for the customer.

"Sprint more than fulfilled their side of the bargain, and they're wisely taking a wait and see attitude"

Not really. They promoted a "flagship" OS that they've chosen to abandon, and rather than meet customer demand for current versions of the platform the customer has invested in, they're trying instead to force those customers to reinvest in a completely separate (and inferior) Android platform with a set of gimmick phones like the Echo and EVO.

That's a more customer-unfriendly perspective, frankly.

I think its safe to say both Hp/Palm and Sprint abandoned webOS on Sprint. Doesn't really matter who gets more of the blame. The end result is the same?

That's not just revisionist history. It's outright reality distortion.

Palm abandoned Sprint. First, they gave the **** Pre minuses. Then they gave the Plus to Verizon as an exclusive. Then, they ran out of money and couldn't manufacture the Pre 2 as a timely refresh. Then, when they could, it was past its sell-by date. Then, they killed off OS support for all non-2 Pre phones and Pixis less barely over a year after they first appeared on shelves.

Oh, and the Veer was an AT&T exclusive. Where in any of that is Sprint "abandoning" Palm? Do you see AT&T carrying the Pre 2? Do you see Verizon with the Veer? Please.

Sprint was the launch customer and got the original Pre.

They were offered the Pre Plus. They refused.

They were offered the Pre 2, they refused.

That's two successive generations of webOS phones that Sprint refused to sell to their customers -- orphaning them in the process.

The Veer is only "AT&T exclusive" because CDMA chipsets are too bulky to fit in a small phone, and AT&T is the only standard-band GSM carrier in the country.

AT&T has supported webOS far, far better than Sprint. It always offered the most modern webOS devices of the era, and better support to boot. That's why so many webOS customers have migrated.

Sprint, on the other hand, has told its webOS customers "tough luck, you're on your own -- either switch carriers or switch to Android." Blaming HP for this clear decision by Sprint to deliberately avoid three generations of webOS hardware since the original launch is just plain myopic.

You might wanna back up. Sprint was never offered anything beyond the Pre that we know of.

Besides, it's up to HP (or Palm at the time) to get these phones on the carriers. Sprint had nothing to lose (most switch to Evo's or similar). The loser in the deal was Palm/HP.

@brmiller1976

Sprint was sitting on a warehouse full of Pre minus inventory because Palm didn't make the original hardware viable in a developing market. Did Palm offer to buy back that junk they were not going to complete with OTA updates?

No. Sprint suffered the burden, now it's making things right.

How do you justify listing all of those stats without listing the issues with the Pre in terms of returns, refurbs, dealing with pissed off customers, lost of revenue, etc.

You make it sound like Sprint said, "Hey, we've made a killing on your devices because they sell very, VERY well and no one ever returns them. Your products have garnered success worldwide. However, while we're dying to continue with this wonderfully lucrative partnership, we really just want to stick it to our customers! So no thanks HP."

The fact is, despite having a great opening weekend sales number, the Pre was a disaster for Sprint. While there exists a vocal few that want webOS on Sprint (many of whom can be found here on Precentral), the vast majority of Sprint's customers aren't knocking down their doors requesting anything webOS.

As a user of Palm's products dating back to the mid 90's, I can tell you that it is not Sprint, but Palm that failed us.

Not to mention that when they inked the deal with Verizon, they were stupid enough not to have a provision in there that would stop Verizon from bragging about it months before the Sprint exclusive was set to end (effectively killing the effect such exclusivity would have).

All I was implying above is that Sprint has the responsibility of keeping me as a Sprint customer, not HP. HP has the responsibility of keeping me as an HP/webOS customer. I like HP enough to follow it to another carrier. So, considering my account, the pressure is on Sprint, not HP. I know this will not be the case for people that like Sprint more than they like webOS, but this IS the case for me.

Its also safe to say HP/Palm abandoned Sprint and its users long before Sprint passed on the Pre2. HP/Palm quit Sprint users when they finally delivered the video api and app. Palm stopped innovating WebOS, Palm cut corners on production specs, Palm cut corners on proudction quality, Palm delivered an incomplete phone, Palm didn't deliver on upgrade promises. HTC delivered, HTC refined, HTC works. HTC wins.

This is where the "cry me a river" people steps in and point out that Palm didn't have much money, blah, blah, blah, as if the consumer should somehow forgive a company that pissed away its industry leadership and fell on hard times.

Palm stopped innovating, and worse than that, they started un-novating by abandoning their existing apps, feature rich hardware and top of the line PIMs and HotSynch.

i think that it was the right decision to leave out those sprint customers;they treated their pre minus like a toy and therefore damaged the reputation of palm and webOS in general.
it is right decision to start over and give their products for those whom are responsible.

First of - I wish Sprint Pre users the best.

Having said that - this sense of entitlement coming from some of you is silly.

Palm didn't ask you to take a leap of faith.
They offered a cool new product and you bought it. If you bought it based on an Ouja board instead of making an informed decision that's your mistake. I bought the Pre after considering the alternatives. I even watched YouTube videos comparing Pre and IPhone 3G(S). I knew there wasn't a big app selection (even less and later here in Germany than in the US).

Yes - Palm failed to deliver on some points (Flash, DocsToGo editing and a couple other things no doubt).

But I'm sick of all this martyrdom here.

From HPalms POV Sprint can't be a primary focus for their marketing. It would be good to *also* sell through Sprint and I'm sure they'd be happy to do so - but that's Sprints decision.

Palm allied with Sprint as an alliance between 2 underdogs. ATT already had the IPhone. I guess Verizon wasn't as interested and so Palm made a deal with Sprint. If they could have made a similar deal with Verizon they would no doubt have preferred that (more customers is more customers).

And of course it's Sprints responsibility. They decide what phones they want to offer. HP can invest extra effort if that seems worthwhile - but at the end of the day if Sprint is not interested then that's that.

Pre was also fairly successful (relatively) in Germany and France. The Pre user base is not as Sprint centric as you seem to think (though Sprint users are probably the majority on this particular site).

I hope you get your Sprint version. I really do.

But it would be suicidely crazy for HPalm to focus exclusively on Sprint. They either have to offer it non-exclusively - or go for the biggest carrier first. But that all depends on negotiations with carriers and what their demands are. If Verizon says it will carry the Pre3 - but only for 3-6 months exclusivity - then HPalm has to take that deal.
If Sprint is not interested in a non-exclusive deal - then that's that. Sprint's out and nothing that HP can do about that.

We'll know in a few weeks. Until then everything here is just speculation anyway.

Well said.

I suppose I should be confused by the legions cheering on the ostracizing of willing WebOS customers who want to reinvest in the platform and help it grow at the time when it desperately needs it, but I'm not.

This place is like BizarroWorld sometimes.

Some things are not speculation.

As a statistical fact (the statistics being Palm's sellthrough numbers reported during earnings calls), the two best quarters of sales WebOS ever had were its first two. That was when it was a Sprint exclusive. So it's fair to say that Sprint definitely has/had the largest amount of US WebOS users, and was among the top demographics of worldwide WebOS users.

Palm DID ask users to take a leap of faith. They abandoned PalmOS and bet the farm on WebOS. They made mighty promises about Mojo Messaging, Docs To Go and Flash and this and that. Several hundreds of thousands of users bought in, and a contract was formed.

Palm wasn't just selling a phone. They were selling a platform that developers had to commit to and customers as well (with their app purchases). It's not just a one off. To recognize this is not to dabble in self-martyrdom in the least. If you truly believe that, then you should implore HP to never do an OS update for WebOS. Or to bring on new apps. Or to add content ecosystems. Isn't all of that just catering to crybaby martyrs who want something besides the physical device they purchased to add value? It's a waste to indulge whiners like that, yeah?

HP shouldn't have to "focus exclusively" on anyone. Samsung went from selling featurephones and budget Android handsets with no updates (e.g. Galaxy) to having a flagship Android device (Galaxy S) on every national and regional US carrier, and all major carriers worldwide....including a number who they had burned or had little-to-no relationship with. They went from the bottom of the Android food chain to 10 million in global sales and status as leading Android manufacturer in less than a year. HP is technically capable of the same, and we should accept no less. If you wanna settle for half-hearted efforts from a global behemoth, have at it. Enjoy going down with the ship. Lots of developers and users refuse to settle, so that's why we're where we are at.

You're absolutely right, micah. Whenever anybody buys a smartphone on a particular carrier, they have bought a binding guarantee that all future variants of that smartphone will be sold on that carrier, at affordable prices, forever.

Even if the carrier in question decides not to resell the future devices or even support them on its locked-down network, it is the OBLIGATION of the handset vendor to magically figure out a way to deliver anyway.

After all, having to transfer numbers to another carrier with comparable pricing is FAR more difficult than switching from one entire smartphone OS to another on the same carrier.

/sarcasm

As I remember it, Sprint passed through WebOS upgrades far quicker than AT&T and Verizon. Especially 1.4.5. But yeah...that was Sprint deciding not to support WebOS.

And again....Sprint didn't have timely access to either the Pre Plus or the Pre 2. Both were also-rans by the time either was available for Sprint to sell (You might have noticed that AT&T also declined to carry the Pre 2). Sprint similarly killed off their version of the Nexus One because it would be old news by the time they could offer it. The only reason they are carrying the Nexus S now is because they can brag about offering the only "pure Google" handset with 4G - another differentiator.

As for switching carriers due to "comparable pricing"...uh, no. Verizon and AT&T are still considerably more expensive, especially for family plans.

"Sprint passed through WebOS upgrades far quicker than AT&T and Verizon"

Yeah, I mean the decision to not carry the Pre Plus... and not carry the Pixi Plus... and not carry the Pre 2...

That's some awesome support for current webOS experience from Sprint.

Nice point. I forgot those were WebOS upgrades. I think I'll download a Pre 2 right now.

"Verizon and AT&T are still considerably more expensive"

You get what you pay for... which is why Sprint's entire lineup of "premium" devices are janky crapware like the Echo, the Nexus with its antenna issues, the aging EVO, the never-updated Samsung Epic, etc.

webOS users on Sprint have NOWHERE to get a decent phone other than off of Sprint. That's hardly HP's fault -- Sprint has made a decision to go cheap and easy.

Can't disagree with you there. But seems like the Pre would fit right in with that "janky crapware" Sprint offers. Perhaps HP isn't trying hard enough.

And yet most, if not all, of those devices are selling better than any of the webOS devices on and off of Sprint. Sounds like webOS users have options...just maybe not "webOS options". Big difference. Many have made the switch to other devices or carriers and have moved on with life. It's only the vocal few that remains. (vocal few relative to total Sprint customers)

What's virgin mobile?

I thought that was pretty funny!

Looking at the responses, I guess some missed your sense of humor.

@brmiller1976
If you insist on staying a Virgin the rest of your life, so be it and good luck with that.

Sincerely,
HP

This is very good news, I feel.

The latest publically available version of Flash for mobile devices is just what the TP needs to help bring the best web experience possible to its users.

Bravo, HP.

You know what? I think I'll wait and see what ships. I learned long ago to not trust any "announcements" or "launch details" from Palm/HP. And the worst part about it, is I'm still running my Sprint Palm Pre, with no flash, because I love webOS. My contract is up. Very soon I'll either be changing carrier, or changing platforms. The choice is up to Hewlett Packard.

Your deal, HP.

How is the choice up to HP if you may changes carriers or platforms? Sounds like the choice is up to you.

I have had the Palm Pre on Sprint since Day 1. (I also have Sprint's excellent Repair Plan) I refuse to whine about the Pre 3. I am happy to see the HP TP get Flash and rolled out to major Vendor's.

Anyone notice the superscripted 6 and 7?

...it will probably come as an update in the coming years :P

the footnotes state that it is a beta version.

actually, it just says it supports adobe flash player :P

So a beta version on top of a beta OS? Sounds like good times..

This is looking really good.

HP is 100% behind webOS. This is an amazing development considering where we were one year ago.

I think it will be succesful. Maybe the first Touchpad won't be the hottest seller on the planet, but it will make a dent, perhaps more so that any individual Android tablet.

But the NEXT version will be the one to watch. By that, I mean a thinner Touchpad 2, preferably made of aluminum or whatever else would be available. The hardware for the Touchpad looks like an iPad 1 made out of plastic.

But God that software is amazing! Best in the market.

I am expecting a reverse Halo effect: sales of the Touchpad will interest people in webOS smartphones... when they have a keyboardless one, that is.

By the culture H/P and Ruby lives by, it appears TP-2 may compete with IP-2 and not IP-3.

I still don't understand all the iPad envy. The TouchPad has decent internal specs (I thought comparable to iPad 2?). It's just a little thicker and made of plastic.

My iPad1 spends all its time in a case, so I'm not particularly worried about the plastic finger print magnet material. I don't have fat baby hands, so I'm not worried about it being a little thicker. I don't really mind not having a backward facing camera.

Am I missing something? Honest question.

your rationality and reasoned perspective from a large potential buyer base is NOT WANTED HERE.

Why couldnt TP be a tad thinner, have a tad bigger battery or even similar size would be an upgrade, and not a finger print magnet. Why couldnt TP be all these things, what stopped H/p. Why didnot Smasung think the same as H/P and H/P think like Samsung.

Because Samsung produces all their internal hardware in-house and does nothing on the Software side.

Still they needed several months (their tablet is still months away from almost (all?) markets and probably will ship after the Touchpad. They just managed to get out some thousand devices that Google then gave away. That's it.

HP on the other hand does NOT produce their products, but orders each and every part and at the same time contracts a manufacturer that constructs the final device. Also they made a completely different approach from Samsungs and are going to attack the iPad on par with marketing, presentation and training of salespeople.

Do you think that such things are easily organised and planed out? Of course HP need some time to bring everything in place. Once it is, you can watch things getting much smoother and we can be sure that this is just the start and with coming webOS-devices it will just keep getting better.

@kkhanmd

Why didnt you make the touchpad like tht? Oh you don't have that abilty.... You guys kill me. If you dont like wht you see just buy something else. the world doesnt revolve around wht you think. If you want somthing slimmer, buy the ipad, or galaxy 10.1. stop crying like a baby...

10.3 has NEON optimizations for Flash for OMAP4 (used in blackberry). I hope it is also working for Qualcomm chips as they support Neon natively too (Tegra 2 doesn't).

Isnt Qualcomm's Snapdragon OMAP compliant?

I don't know if its IMAP 4, but, I believe I read this somewhere.

Yay I guess.

Saw all this Sprint **** above. Any Sprint user, that is still using a Pre is a complete **** Grow up and move on to a real OS. Stop dreaming. Sprint has found the way with Android and the EVO series. The Pre's short time is done... just figure it out.

umad?

I'm not mad. Stick with webOS if you want. Have fun with your 6,000 apps.

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Yeah Android got Flash 10.3 and the updates are regular ... and I will believe it when I see it on WebOS ... not before.

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