Veer pops up in Cellebrite systems, will surely launch soon 45
Ah, the storied Cellebrite system. Yes, it's good for in-store transferring contacts for the cloud-challenged and sure, there may be a police department or two potentially misusing it, but we know and love it for one other reason: it's a good sign that carriers are preparing to launch a device.
To wit, an anonymous tipster has sent in the above blurrycam shot of a Cellebrite all set to transfer contacts to or from a "P160UNA Veer GSM." Combining that with Veer'd-up Mini Coopers, a leaked shot of a white Veer, AT&T's Pre Plus running out of stock, and a mysteriously cancelled (if only to keep the rabble out) launch party announcement, makes us pretty confident in saying that the little guy should be arriving quite soon on AT&T.
Who's planning on picking one up?
Thanks, anonymous!
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Thank you Mr Blurrycam :)
Will we see this launch tomorrow? (May 2nd)
First time I ever wished I was on AT&T! Veer's look awesome!
i'd happily be on my way back to att for the veer (current pixi user) if it weren't for the idiotic non-standard inputs this thing uses.
Jeez, here we go again *sigh*
quit teabaggin HP
To be fair is like the small ipods. But in here as long as you use the minimagnetic adaptor included, you can use anything you were already using with the pre/pixi.
Im not keen of having to use the magnetic adaptor to plug the earplugs, but I believe the veer is really for those that care a lot about size, so as with an ipod nano or shuffle they understand the design choices.
I love how everyone bashes the charger input. As if the iPhone as a universal charger?
The iPhone as more 3rd party accessories than any other phone (including built in car docks!) and it has a non-standard input.
i suppose in this day and age everything gets compared to the corresponding apple product, but I don't really see how it's relevant.
There is one point I must admit ignorance on.. I thought I remembered a post shortly after the Veer was announced that suggested you wouldnt be able to charge and use headphones at the same time. anyone know if this is true?
I only used the iPhone because it has a very unique input that only Apple uses on their products. Yet it has a ton of accessories that use this input. I've never heard anyone complain about Apple's non-standard inputs.
(I can't answer your other question)
btw the non-standard apple input is one of my pet peeves also. i think it's cr@p, and apple has even less justification since size has no role in the decision to use it. it's purely so they can sell more cables.
That may be true but it has worked for them. It now is one of the reasons people select their products because of all the 3rd party 'docks.'
Really? It's not just a charge cable. It supports audio, video, and external controls, amongst other things.
Can't USB do the same?
Not at the same time, or at least not as simply.
If you want to charge via cable, yes. The 3.5 mm headphone adapter monopolizes the magnetic port. You can still charge over Touchstone.
Get a Bluetooth headset and call it a day (you just won't be able to use the same cable to charge both).
thanks for the clarification. sorry to be such a whiner. i just think this is a huge design flaw. as a pixi user eager for a hardware upgrade, i would literally be first in line for this phone if not for this. bluetooth headset? i can barely keep my phone charged, and now you want me to keep 2 devices charged? and they don't use the same cable? no chance.
i'll either have to wait for the p3 or some other formfactor. ideally they'd put one out in the tradtitional pixi/treo factor.
Not enough if you use your phone as your MP3 player and charge it simultaneously in the car using a head that doesn't have Bluetooth.
I know, I know...get a Touchstone and learn how to mount IT, then juggle the bluetooth, Touchstone, stick-on adapters and whatever else. But then, that kinda defeats the purpose of having such a small phone.
This phone IS being marketed as a 'small smartphone'...not an mp3 player, or car player, or whatever else.
You people keep insisting that this phone HAS to be able to do all kinds of stuff that there are specific devices made for.
If you want to ADAPT the phone to ACT like THOSE devices, because it can be...then you need to get WHATEVER it takes for that to happen.
When all competitors and other WebOS devices come with those built-in already? No thanks.
It would nice to see launch is imminent by the abundance of ads. I see Playbook TV spots galore along with Motorola Xoom ones. I hope to see the same starting launch day for the Veer.
Hope it's more than hipsters swiping a bunch of stuff. You could use cutting room floor footage from the Pixi commercials and no one would be able to tell the difference.
Awwwww yeah. Going to get one for my girlfriend, her dumbphone is dieing a slow death lately.
if the veer can over come needing an adapter in order to use a standard head phones, i can see the little guy beeing successful.
i know we hate the apple references, but i'm picturing ipod nano like commercials. the thing is so tiny it can serve as more of an accessory than a phone. you'll clip it to your belt loop, headphone adapter in place, listening to your music and calls, and forget its there.
if you primarily use the touchstone, the port would be reserve for the headphones. if you use a bluetooth headset, its all a non issue.
i know its a stretch to think a lot of people would bother with this, but then you realize how many people still use dumbphones. they deal with non standard ports all the time.
I just can't wrap my head around the fact that HP is relaunching WebOS with a phone that is a downgrade from the Pre 2....
Has anyone heard a price on this thing? Cause it's going to be sitting next to a $49 iphone 3gs on the AT&T shelves that I've been seeing a lot of advertising for lately.
No need of blurry picture, look at this: http://www.cellebrite.com/phonelist/model_details.php?vendor=Palm&model=...
I'm not understanding all the Apple iPod references. The nano and the shuffle both have the standard 3.5 headphone jack, which is what Dan-O was talking about above. As cool as this phone looks, I agree about that. I like to listen to my pixi while I am doing yard work. My phone might go in and out of my pocket 10 or more times during this work, but I never have to worry about the headphone jack coming out. Will I be able to say the same with the magnetic adapter? I seriously doubt this.
I'm with him. I'm (also) praying they eventually package this as a candy bar style phone, and sooner over later.
Have you ever touched the magnetic charger of the Macbooks? Don't be fooled by the appearances, it is really strong. If the magnetic dock of the Veer is as strong as the one on the Macbooks, don't be afraid of it coming out.
Nano and shuffle where just specialized MP3 players.
Not mobile computers with keyboard, phone capability, antennas etc...
Of course the they had a headphone jack for that single function they served.
Why would anybody think that HPalm left out the headphone jack for laughs?
It's a design trade-off
The charging argument is silly. Just use a Touchstone. The whole range is designed to be primarily charged with a Touchstone. Charging by cable is an annoying fallback solution.
That leaves the argument about not liking the adapter for the headphone. Which is understandable.
But that's the trade-off to get the phone that compact. With headphone jack it would have been a bigger phone - too close to a Pre2 to make sense.
This phone is for people who actively want a very compact phone. With the size come trade-offs. Keyboard is small, screen is small, no space for jacks. If those trade-offs are unacceptable then this phone is simply not for you.
Would anybody have traded a headphone jack for a smaller battery?
"Would anybody have traded a headphone jack for a smaller battery?"
Excellent point...
Could you guys complaining about charging and using audio connector at the same time please leave the stone age and join us in the touchstone age?
Seriously, the Touchstone is wonderful and well worth the extra money. Nice to have it charge while playing those mp3's through the HIFI-system. It also sits at a nice angle.
It's funny...The "touchstone" age coupled with having to add connectors seems ancient to me, not particularly futuristic.
But to each their own.
As I believe many current WebOS phone owners are on Sprint, I believe I speak for many when I say "who cares?". The Veer looks pretty cool but I'd rather have the Pre 3. There seems to be a reocurring theme with all these leaks -- nothing is coming to Sprint and it's really starting to tick a lot of us off. We are the ones that first invested in WebOS and we are being left out in the cold. HP is making it very difficult to hang on. If nothing comes to Sprint, then my choice is simple - Android. I am not switching from Sprint because their plans are way cheaper than the rest. HP has failed completely if they fail to come through for the current customer base which is a lot of Sprint customers.
I'm willing to bet that the magnetic connector will let you plug the phone in to charge as well as using headphones. My old Treo sync cable would hook to the computer and had another slot for the charger.
I don't understand all the negative comments about the magnetic port. I guess I'm surprised by the number of people that still actually plug stuff into their phones. I've been enjoying bluetooth stereo audio for years. Exercising without wires hanging from your ears is fantastic and car bluetooth is convenient and affordable with adapters. When I got the Pre Plus and a touchstone, I immediately got additional touchstones. The only time I plug anything into the phone is when I'm at a computer and need to transfer files (there are ways to do that wirelessly if you want too). At that point, who cares if it is a magnetic port if it is stationary?
I think the Veer is a fantastic phone especially if you plan on getting a tablet. Why carry a big phone and a tablet? I would rather have a tiny phone to carry around if I can always pull out the TouchPad when I need a big screen. I unfortunately will not get a Veer because it is on AT&T. Verizon has incredible service all around and having a good carrier is #1 priority for me. iPhone users must be really addicted to their phones - 100% of the iPhone (AT&T) users I know absolutely hate their service. This is a phone - don't you want service?
I may take a look at the Pre3 but I think it may be too big. Pre Plus is a great size. If Pre3 is too big, I may pick up a Pre2.
I think this is where the disconnect is for a lot of people:
"The Veer is a great phone if you're buying a Touchstone/TouchPad Tablet/Bluetooth headset/etc......."
Most people these days just want a great phone...no ifs, ands, or buts. It shouldn't be conditional.
But it is unavoidably conditional.
Everything is - always.
With less size you can fit less stuff - that shouldn't be hard to understand.
With bigger size you get bigger screens and keyboard and room for bigger battery - but also more weight and - well - size. ;-)
Different people have different preferences. There is no one form factor that makes everybody happy.
There's probably not even one form factor that makes most people totally happy. People pick a compromise that comes close to their personal preferences.
Companies trying to capture as much of the market as possible therefore either offer a diverse range of choices and/or strive to satisfy various niches.
The Veer could be a good phone for somebody who looks for a very compact phone (either to go with a Touchpad - or just for the compactness itself).
Not everybody is a power-user.
If you use the phone mostly as a - well - phone - then the size is fine. With the option to occasionally do some smartphone stuff like check movie times etc... Often enough to not be satisfied with just a old-style feature phone. But rarely enough so that small keyboard an screen are not too much of a bother.
HPalm is aiming for a particular niche here that has not been provided for by other manufacturers. And they probably did some market research to back that up. A potentially untapped market percentage that wants a bit more than their old phone can do - but not that much more.
If the Veer is too small - get a Pre2 or Pre3. If a keyboard smartphone with webos is not your cup of tea or if the app selection isn't growing fast enough - get an Android or IPhone.
All this whining is annoying.
I agree. The whining ABOUT whining has always been the most annoying and ironic thing around these parts.
As for the Veer, it's not just a matter of different preferences. Because right now, there are very few options if you don't "prefer" the Veer. The Pre 2 must almost always be purchased sight unseen, and if you're on ATT - without subsidy. This makes it far from viable for most. The Pre 3 is nowhere to be found. Other, older WebOS devices are cheap junk that's being put out to pasture.
So for now...the Veer is "it". Which is a shame as evidenced by the comments at Engadget. You don't want your WebOS relaunch leading device to produce such a widespread and viscerally negative reaction from the people who would be buying it first.
Additionally, the idea that "there's probably not even one form factor that makes most people totally happy" is demonstrably false.
http://mobilized.allthingsd.com/20110428/apple-leapfrogs-motorola-and-ht...
The top 5 selling individual PHONES - not just smartphones, but phones, period - were the Evo, Droid X, two iPhones, and the Droid incredible. That's five black slabs with high-resolution screens that are 3.5-4.3 inches. Not low resolution sliders with a 2.6-inch screen. And what's even kookier is these phones ALSO make great companions to tablets, even though they aren't smaller than credit cards like the Veer.
But hey...Palm aimed for the same niche, and that worked out pretty well, eh?
Tomorrow will be a sad day if Sprints name isn't mentioned.
So excited for the Treo 270! 12 bit color! :-)
Still waiting for HPalm to "make it right". Can't wait to get the Evo 3D.
small phone is small.
Hope it comes on VZW... my 12 year old wants one!
I'm going to wait for the Treo 270.
Went into an ATT store on Long Island, NY. I asked when the Veer was coming. The guy didn't know what I was talking about - never heard of it. Blackberrys, Black iPhone, and Android devices prominently displayed. No Pre anywhere. Pre-launch (no pun intended), I smell a disaster already...