Video: Palm Pre Running Flash At GDC 2010 103
by Robert Werlinger Tue, 16 Mar 2010 5:20 pm EDT
Here's something to tide you over until we can get our hands on the video of Palm's presentation at last week's Game Developer Conference. Youtube user Monarchy (@HenryLevak) found himself in the Palm booth and fired up the browser on the Palm Pre Plus to see how flashed worked. Naturally, the first site visited was Hulu.com which (shocker!) didn't work. The next site visited was Miniclip, a website featuring Flash 10.1 optimized games that take advantage of on-device hardware such as accelerometers, and the game played - Alien Attack - looked as if it were a native app.
Everything Flash-based has been looking pretty slick on webOS so far, so tell us: is the anticipation killing you?
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I've really been hoping for some announcement about Flash at GDC, tick tock, tick tock Adobe.
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well since netflix is silverlight based i doubt it will be on the Pre. Even then im sure MSFT has something worked out like they did with netflix on the XBOX to keep it locked down for a bit before its able to be on other devices. Either way, Palm needs to up the hardware (read: screen size and CPU/GPU) before flash takes a good hold or we can even think of things like Hulu or Netflix.
Netflix is on PS3 also.
Anyone know if Moonlight would be able to run things like Netflix? If so, would that be ported to WebOS? I don't know enough about the tech.
I'm kind of surprised that Microsoft wouldn't just offer it up to Android and WebOS though. I mean it runs smoother than Flash, and frankly I have more faith in Microsoft than Adobe to be competent and open about such things. That's probably more of an insult to Adobe than praise to Microsoft though...
Windows Phone 7 will have Netflix streaming via Silverlight. Let's hope the Pre will have either Hulu or Netflix working.
I'm tired of hearing about Flash. I'm not necessarily blaming Palm for the delay but they shouldn't have sold it the way they did. It gave the feel that Flash was actually coming out in February.
I don't think that added to their credibility.
Only if you heard what you wanted to hear and not what was actually said.
I has been shown OVER AND OVER again on this site that nothing was EVER said about Flash in February.
actually, what they said is the hooks for flash would arrive in february, and the did as part of 1.4
I sure hope Hulu will work when flash final comes to the pre. The than hulu, flash has no interest to me.
Flash was actually announced to come out last October.
I like how nobody remembers that.
THANK YOU, KEDAR!!
I remember. At Launch, around June of '09... SOMEBODY "promised" Flash. I'm not sure who it was... but I don't see why anybody outside of Palm could have known they were attempting to have Flash working on webOS.
http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps-software/230825-flash-10-1-not-a...
First it was October, then November, then by the end of 2009, then the first quarter of 2010, then by February, then back to first quarter again... and now we're at first half of 2010. What a crock...
And as has been said over and over and over again... the clowns at Adobe are just that... clowns! Deadlines are meaningless to them. Adobe probably did promise to have Flash for palm within a certain timeframe, and then paid zero attention to the deadline.
Hold on a second, Bub!! From the way you phrased your comment, I can guess that you bought the Palm Pre Plus from Verizon, yes? Otherwise, you wouldn't have said the February comment like you did.
Well, buddy, most of us on this site have had regular ol' Palms for much, much longer...and we don't complain as much. I've had my Palm since July 1st, 2009...which means I've been waiting much longer than you have for Flash... You've been waiting all of what? 2-3 months?? Please!!!
You guys had games (3D) come out right when you bought your phones...we didn't.. Our original base model was laughable compared to what we have today...and yet, we were all STOKED to have what we did. Why? Because we knew it was the best, damn phone out there....with the most potential.
Yes, it's having some growing pains...but I bet you don't recall how bad iPhone was when IT came out? And it STILL can't multi-task.
Many people say.."Big deal, multi-tasking! At least iPhone can stream videos from websites...blah blah blah!" Well...it's only no big deal when you actually HAVE the capability. If someone took away the multi-tasking from our phones....you better believe you'll be upset and not even realize how much you came to depend upon it.
As far as any other platform.. Well...Android is way behind WebOS...and Windows 7 phone? Really? People really want to talk about how they're using Silverlight for Hulu? OMG...it's not even out yet....and people are already waiting to jump ship!!
This is why the corpos totally control us. They dumb us down with products...make us all crave INSTANT gratification...so that we become a nation of drooling idiots! No wonder we have the politicians we have...and the Presidents we have...we deserve no better!
Yeesh!
Did you have to walk through neck deep snow, uphill both ways, to the General Store to get your Pre?
Written from my Pre Plus...
how long have we been waiting for flash?? bah.
I'm so sick of seeing videos about flash either putup or shut up adobe
+1
I wish macromedia still had it, their versions, i feel, were much more efficient in coding/weight. Adobe bloated their entire CS4 line of SW as well as Flash Player. Silverlight would be incredible for the Pre but i highly doubt that will happen. netflix will not make anything for the Pre either, mainly because there aren't enough Pre's out there. Just my opinion, and I know nada.
I was hoping flash would be out with the latest update, but after seeing how poorly the video camera works (on original Sprint Pre, and the Pixi at the beginning of the video at least), I fully anticipate having to restart my phone before and after using Flash anyway, so I really am not that excited for it. It is a great idea, but I don't think it will perform well on the already-slow and laggy Pre.
Guess you don't have a Pre.
Not sure if it is "relatively responsive". At least for me, Flash wouldn't be for games but for streaming audio/video players etc. On the other hand, I'm tired of waiting too. I would have prefered Docs2Go than Flash....
I just hope the browser get an option to enable/disable flash on will, so browsing doesn't get slower.
Why yes, it *is* killing me. :) {Jonathan}
Nah. It'll be nice when it happens but the thrill is gone. :)
yes gimmie flash, its why i bought the phone, well part off the reason.
not a bad vid for the pixi though ;-) nice work palm
meh
Why yes, it *is* killing me. :) {Jonathan}
No. Looking forward to it, but not chomping at the bit like I was for video.
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I don't know why the editors said that hulu didn't work when right after the guy types in the 2nd url I can see the video start to play and I see wording. The video probably had to load to start streaming like a computer would. Is it just me or are yall seeing the same thing I'm seein?
I see something too. How do we know that Hulu doesn't work? Is this the official word form Hulu or Adobe? Or was it someone not being patient enough?
What an idiot this guy is. HOW ABOUT EDITING OUT THE PART WHERE HULU DOESN'T WORK and quit giving webos and the pre EVEN MORE BAD PUBLICITY. That alien game looks like it was laggy and the graphics looked terrible. Flash was supposed to be on the pre back in June at launch date- just another lie. I love my pre, but hate reading about it.
In June? Really? That must have been in a super secret memo that only you got.
get a clue, kid. palm said this phone would have flash on release date, then in a month, then october, then later, then later, then later, and so on and so forth. it's all a game to keep us on the hook.
I wish I had a time machine.I would use it to Flash forward to June 2011.The only thing is,Adobe probably still hasn't released 10.1.And I'd be posting in a simular comment board saying;"I CAN't WAIT"
sounds good in theory, but how are you going to 'flash forward' if you don't have flash yet?
... I'm just sayin...
I don't understand why adobe won't just release whatever version is running on these demo pre's and state "use at own risk" or "beta version". It has to be pretty stable already for the most part in order to be running on these demos and the real world feedback would help them know what to focus on for final release. I was told when I got pre last June that flash would be out before 2010 and I can't imagine what the hold up is....
Because Adobe doesn't want to release a buggy Flash on any platform because it will add fuel to the fire that Apple has started about Flash being a resource hog and crashing.
Lol, that guy demoing the phone sounded so clueless about the camera. Good question about the higher resolution that was said to be coming in the future, but this guy just blew it off and started rambling about a nonsense software feature that has nothing to do with the video recorder. Doh!
Flash looks OK, but not great. We'll see when it is released.
Sorry, not impressed until i see that lil F (flash) icon actually on MY OWN PHONE. Until then....Adobe and Palm can kick rocks...lol. jk
the desire for justin.tv on my phone with flash was the main reason I switched to this phone from winmo as I thought it would be better then skyfire. While I love the UI of the phone that's about it. So many things that were free on winmo cost on webos. No xm radio still. If palm does not get a larger handset and flash out soon there market share is going to shrink even more when the htc supersonic and new win7 phones land. That game looked horrible btw.
I love the UI/webos, but the phone is a porsche with pinto features. Everyone I talk to says the same things and some have already left.
am not really looking forward to flash, am not really impressed of how it all looks. My palm pre is slow enough and with flash it will be even slower.
If only Palm Pre plus was available in the UK
yawn. only think i want to hear is, "fill in the blank is available for download."
i don't care what's available to a select few at some insider conference. When can consumers use stuff?
Ok is it just me or has anyone else noticed that every time flash on WebOS is brought up, all anyone talks about is gaming?! Is this really what everyone cares about? Cause I see alot of comments about flash based video sites to which none seem to have worked in demo!! Does Adobe think that by putting out a version of flash which seems to only have gaming in mind, everyone will just forget about the fact that what they really want they cant have? I think they must think consumers are children who will be happy with just a promise of a cookie, and never a cookie! Personally, I could give a crap about flash gaming! I want hulu, adultswim, and more!! IMO! Its funny how in the video, dude just skips over the fact that hulu doesnt work and suggests the game site in the bookmarks! Like thats the key selling point! LOL Idiots! yet every person who picks up a Pre with flash on it initially visits hulu! "Naturally, the first site visited was Hulu.com which (shocker!) didn't work".... pretty sad
I agree with you. I don't understand what the fuss is about touch style gaming. I think its horrible. If I want portable gaming I will stick to the DS or DSi. Or i will pack an xbox or PS3 into a backpack and take it where I want if need be. I wouldnt mind gaming on the phone if they had touch buttons like the ds. It feels right when the phone is turned sideways to have an A and B button and an L and R button at the top and if the phone was a bit bigger a D pad. I am going to be sorely disappointed if flash comes and it doesnt work with the websites I visit. For me thats really the only reason I want flash. Gaming is awkward and non responsive enough with a touch screen you dont need to add flash into the mix. Although the flying games like glyder are okay. Still wouldnt pay for anymore games though unless it was a smartphone/button controller type of deal. Maybe I'm asking for to much. lol I mean they didnt have room for a microSD card. ;(
Videos like this make me feel even more certain that flash is almost useless on mobile devices.
Flash games are bad
Hulu will not work
Youtube experience will be better using their mobile version or dedicated app
Annoying ads killing my battery.
Flash (including ads) will only run if you specifically tell them to. i.e. you would have to click on the ad for it to run, so no, you wil not have annoying ads killing your battery.
Well, I honestly don't see any reason to download the flash client at all.
I could give you several, but I don't think you'll need anymore than just this one...
http://www.spankwire.com
8^D
for the last time about hulu. HULU BLOCKS MOBILE!
hulu does. Nothing about palm. It's hulu. Check out that HULU app on the iphone? The one in development for years? Yup not there. Use skyfire to get hulu? Doesn't work. You can't read? Good grief man, if your smartphone is smarter than you.....
But I did not give the order to whack the Spaldoni family. That is an order I did not give.
It's "wipe out," not "whack."
My bad.
But really, I'm just thrilled that someone got the reference.
The point IS, people want more than GAMING!!! Hulu is just a point.
Dont be a douchebag!
The point IS, people want more than GAMING!!! Hulu is just a point.
Dont be a douchebag!
F#*k hulu...who needs them..I enjoy watching shows on my tv.
I don't want and didn't use skyfire for hulu. I used it for live sports on justin. That is what I want from this phone. If it can't manage that then my 3 year old winmo phone with skyfire, xm, slingbox, and free apps that cost money here beat the crap out of this phone from a multimedia aspect. Infact it crushes it with an outdated OS and hardware.
The camera resolution question I think was about the video, not the still camera. I remember Palm saying that they would improve video resolution after they first got it working.
Will Precentral be selling the nuclear power generaters needed to power a Pre running flash?
Just curious...
why don't you wait till it comes out to see. I thought a recent demo.showed it was not as bad as thought. Clearly we that want flash know it will use more power. Lame comments like yours though just seem like baiting.
f*** you idiot, that was sarcastic humor and I'm entitled to my opinion like everyone else. Why don't you go drink some more Palm kool-aid and shove your dead battery, flash driven, shiny piece of plastic up your a**!
yea clint is right f*** you 2X.
Nice. That's the way to win everyone over!
F*** YOU BRO! I HATE YOU! YOURE EVERYTHING BAD ABOUT EVERYTHING! OTHER RANDOM INSULTS!
By the way...I really love reading about peoples petty arguments and random bitchings about webos. It really makes this a fun site to visit.
How about this...every one chill out a bit, load up preware...and install a new app. That always cheers me up. YAY PREWARE! :D
btw...clint, I understood and enjoyed your sarcastic humor. Waaay more interesting then the 40 other comments where people only bitched about release dates.
wow how about you take that nuclear power plant and have it make you and your boyfriend there some extra strength prozac. Internet tough guys make me lol. You keep sitting there at your keyboard and talk tough you big bad ethug.
your pointless posts are taking up room on this thread...its ok, we all know youre tough...super bad ass.
also, your post is quite ironic in the fact that youre doing the exact thing you were talking about.
right now...go into preware...download a new app...preferably one that takes advantage of the accelerometer (theyre extra fun). play for a while and youll realize that no one cares about what you think...
preware...its therapy...YAY PREWARE!
Will Precentral be selling the nuclear power generaters needed to power a Pre running flash?
Just curious...
worse rep ever what was he even talkin about?
agreed...he seemed uninformed.
Enough whining about Flash already. It will get here when it gets here.
f#@k adobe and their horrible flash player..steve job was right..they are lazy and part of the web problems due to their useless power sucker plugin.
Oh, CRAP. A traitor is among us! He has drunk of the evil Kool-Aid! He must be terminated at once!
I bet we won't get this till next fall.
you are right..because they are lazy..just think about how many webos updates we have done since flash was first announced.
I hate you Adobe..you are nothing but a mistake in the tech zone.
I hate you Adobe..you are nothing but a mistake in the tech zone.
not working on my pre, i went to Hulu.com and asking me to install flash, oh! forgot i am from Canada, LOL
sweet looks as if flash is almost ready to be released! I wish all the whiners would shut there holes and just be patient. I think netflix is completly possible it runs on more than just internet explorer & xbox 360. I have it on my sony bravia xbr9 and also my ps3 so it's not exclusivly for microsoft I know of other devices it also runs on so I don't think that they have sold out to anyone. Have faith and lets hope to see good things for the future. Go Palm!!!
I was very surprised to even see them go to hulu, I wonder how long that would last, because I know hulu would refuse to let any mobile phone access their site for long. Back with my touch pro I used sky fire and eventually it wouldn't work with hulu and their statement was that it wasn't meant to be viewed on a mobile device and mobile streaming was not part of the deal they have with the studios. It would be awesome if they changed their minds on that though.
Gave up on Adobe a while ago. Flash available on a regular Sprint Pre will surprise me, maybe next gen hardware.
And to the guy way up above who said Adobe clearly doesn't want to release a buggy Flash on any OS because it would feed into Apple's crap.....ever seen flash on Linux systems? They don't seem to care much about that.
Have you seen flash on windows systems? Flash is buggy all around.
Not for a while actually. I only go into Windows to use a couple programs I am not happy with how they work in Wine for Linux.
uhm the video definitely started working right when he went to miniclip so maybe it just takes time to load
I noticed that too! I hope thats hope for hulu. The above post about hulu purposely blocking mobile devices got me worried. 2 things I want more than anything: sling player, hulu.
the hulu clip along with the rest of the page finished loading a second before he navigated from the page... Plus you can click on the flash control tto go full screen I'm surprised he didn't do that.
At 1:47 - 1:48, you can briefly see a message show up on the Hulu page which is identical to the message I see when I log into hulu from my PS3. If anyone has used a PS3 for a while, you'll know that hulu *used* to work on the PS3, but then the execs at hulu made a conscious decision to block non-desktop clients (I think they thought PS3-like devices cannibalized their TV market). The trick in the PS3 was to edit the User-Agent tag and make it appear to be Firefox.
yep, I was going to say that it looks like the same mesasge that comes up in Skyfire. Hulu was in some hot water with the studios over mobile distribution on Skyfire, and I bet this is the same deal. Nobody's fault except the short-sighted studios.
Could we get this added to the article? Please?
For those curious, here's a higher-resolution image of what a Hulu "video is not available" message looks like: http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/27/ps3-owners-get-boxeed-hulu-this-video...
Hulu is a must, I seem to also remember a slingbox client that was said to be available when flash came to the pre. Those are some solid reasons to have flash, minclip is over rated, I hope flash was developed for much more important reasons then that. We'll see what happens...
....and Palm stock continues to drop. At this point I don't even care about Flash anymore. I'm annoyed at Adobe for showing that demo video LAST YEAR and still not putting even a beta thru. Whatever. CTIA is next week. Good luck Palm
The whole flash thing has been communicated in a very bad way. Everyone was led to beleive, that after palm has done their job web-os wise, flash would be available since we already have seen it run on the pre and, adobe clearly has to be ready by then. Obviously that's not the case, but is it only adobes fault, that we have to wait, if flash was already promised for fall 2009 how come only the 1,4 update released by palm made the pre compatible with flash. And if flash couldn't be run on the pre without the 1,4 update, how come we already have seen videos of pres running flash in 2009. I clearly don't know what's going on, but from the looks of it neither palm, nor adobe can get their act straight aaand, I think it is false advertising to say, that the upgrade to webos 1,4 will give you the ability of running flash.
1. The Pre was Flash ready before 1.4. Remember those vids of Flash we've seen? They came before 1.4.
2. Communicated in a bad way? Well, there are two issues there. The first is that folks take rumors and set them as fact. This is a running theme here at P|C. no mater how much the writers try to emphasize 'rumor' or 'rumblings', a sizable, vocal, percentage take it as fact and get bent out of shape when the rumor doesn't happen. The second issue is that Palm was gullible enough to believe that Adobe could actually deliver anything on time. The next time that happens will be the first time. I doubt it's a mistake that Palm will make again.
Did you have to walk uphill I the snow both ways to the General Store to get your Pre?
Did you have to walk uphill I the snow both ways to the General Store to get your Pre?
it'll be pretty cool to finally get flash. Then everyone wil start whining about silverlight...
Well, if it's there, it's there. So much for my anticipation for flash on a mobile device. And I hope it will be possible to be turned off.
I like the way he continually shot at friendlies on the game, and avoided shooting aliens... "FRIENDLY FIRE! FRIENDLY FIRE!" starts at 2:09
Stop teasing us, Palm... er, Adobe! Maybe they think that by demoing it at every conference they are building excitement, but the more they do it the more they risk annoying the hell out of people by teasing us with it and never (yet) offering it. They better come through soon. Right now it's slated "first half of 2010" which means they have till the end of June. If it slips again till even later I'll give up. Seriously, Adobe, at least offer a beta in the beta channel where most Pre users won't see it, just the more advanced ones who at least understand it's a work in progress!
I'm really getting tired of seeing yet another 'cool demo' by someone using Flash on their Pre... - WTF!!?? Who cares!!? We already lnew it's working. The only thing really interesting: when will the rest of us get Flash! Give us some more concrete info on that, for a change...
I WANT MY FLASH!!!
I'm so "Over It" now... I mean, I've had to phone for a while now and I just feel like by the time they get flash to us, I'll be on to the next new phone that's out, which may or may not even be a webOS phone... I just like to have the latest greatest phones... so who knows... and frankly who cares about flash, I like the phone... FOR NOW!!!
They'll be salty when other customers like me, move on to the next phone instead of waiting for them to slowly trickle the technology out to the devices... How about getting the devices TOTALLY and FULLY ready before releasing them instead of stringing us along...
Also, I like the palm webOS interface, but it's ABOUT TIME they updated the FB app, added video... I mean, c'mon, this little by little $#!^ is for the birds! I'm waiting for this supposed latest-greatest phone to get functionality that my little cousins have on their little flip phones like VIDEO, FBOOK, and PHOTO EDITING(which we still don't have). SHEESH!!!
If Slingplayer makes an app that works with the new flash plugin then I'm good.
p.s. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasnt SLING among the list of developers working with PALM when they released the PRE?
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Ok. I am not a big fan of comments or opinions about his matter, I just would like facts. So this is what I know and here are my questions.
I am unable to watch videos on my WebOS browser. Like everyone else, these videos run on flash player. Because we do not have this plug-in yet, we are not able to view them. We get a blue lego instead.
When will Flash 10.1 be available?
Other than WebOS 1.4 do I need anything else to use it?
For the embedded videos that run on alternative formats to flash, will those soon be available for the Palm Pre?
this is just a pathetic issue, infact anything to do with palm is pathetic too. Iam fed up with waiting for it and tonnes of otherthings. Crap apps and nothing is plug and play with the pre. No one can defend these facts no matter how daft you are. I watched a tv doc with the bloke who invented the first cell phone and he said smart phones that do not require you to be an enginner will be winners in the mobile market ! Enter palm pre, no flash no skype no msn as standard ! And adobe etc... Know the palm is crap and not worth the invetment, that answers your questions about flash. Never again will i get bulled in to buying a palm that requires you to be an enginner ! Roll on apple 4g and good bye to swetty palm.