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webOS 1.4.1 Starts Trickling Out - Updates: Netherlands, Germany, UK, Ireland, Spain, France 161

by Dieter Bohn Wed, 31 Mar 2010 7:05 pm EDT

 

We don't know what sort of Faustian bargain has been struck here, but tomi666 (note the name!) once again appears to be the first person on the planet to receive an update to webOS.  He was first with webOS 1.4 while in Vietnam and now this globetrotting fellow is first with webOS 1.4.1 in Holland. We are expecting webOS 1.4.1 to include some bugfixes (especially for background multitasking) and compatibility for international paid applications, which are coming later today.

We can't say yet which carriers and devices will be receiving webOS 1.4.1, but it's a safe bet that if you live outside the confines of the United States, you should be expecting it soon. Things are developing, so we'll keep you apprised as we learn more about who's getting webOS 1.4.1 and what features it includes.

Update 5: As of right now it looks like the webOS 1.4.1 update has landed for O2 and Movistar customers only. Full changelog here, O2 Germany and UK customers can now download and use Mobile Hotspot.

Patchers: Auto Update Patch Technology should for the most part take care of you and you need not remove them. Overclockers: you should remove that kernel patch - a better implementation is on the way anyhow. We mean it - as mrloserpunk notes, your Pre will automatically update itself if left alone.

Updates after the break.

Update 1: tomi666 notes it a very small update, only 6mb from 1.4 to 1.4.1.

Update 2: We've set up a few forum threads for y'all to discuss:

Update 3: At least one Sprint user, Daniel in Washington, has received the webOS 1.4.1 update

Update 4: Stefan of preciouscoders writes in to say that it's appearing on O2 devices in Germany! David tweets that it's landing in the UK as well - plus griffinx in Ireland. @capape has it in Spain

Update 5: France too, per palmpre-france

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161 Comments

On a Dutch SIM by the way...
Could it be my DeviceID?

btw, how big was the update?

Whatever it is, you seem to be on a roll lol

Will US get it or is this for the paid apps? And do this fix 1.4.0 countless issues??

Sweeeet =) I'm always stoked for another update. I hope it fixes the "Phone" bug. If you don't know what it is it basically "kills" the phone app within the task manager which in then does not allow your phone to receive ANY calls. You'll pretty much end up w/ numerous voicemails from friends/family saying, "...why you ignoring my calls?" or "...hey man you always answer are you alright?"

...the multitasking (backround), random resets, volume fluctuation are other bugs that need tended to.

ps. Already removed the 800MHz kernal =/ I'm happy that something newer is already in the works. Totally anxious for it!!!

Bring on 1.4.1!!!

It's a busy day here at precentral!

It's a 6MB step from 1.4 to 1.4.1.
Pea-effing-nets...

They use a new packaging method for updates now to make the file sizes much much smaller than previously.

If you remember, 1.4 was only a 30MB or so update, and that was huge changes.

While it most likely will just be bug fixes and nothing all that noticeable, the size of the update doesn't really mean anything anymore.

+1 to jhoff.

Palm is now using binary delta compression to deliver WebOS updates to us now. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_delta_compression?wasRedirected=true

This not only substantially reduces the load on their servers but it makes the end user experience faster as well. (Also for our Sprint Pix brothers, it greatly reduces their download time.

If I was in Holland right now i would be COMPLETELY out of control.

I am in Holland, but nothing is happening...

i'm gonna wait for now, until the 800mhz kernel is ready for 1.4.1. I haven't really run into many issues with 1.4 that is bad enough to make me leave the speediness

Don't worry - I'm there as well, and no update yet for me. It might indeed be device ID, or date of registration or whatever that determines update order...

Still nothing in UK. Not convinced its out yet!!

with the automated patch update should we still remove all patches before an OS update?

Themes yes, patches no.

"Patchers: Auto Update Patch Technology should for the most part take care of you and you needed remove them."

Methinks you meant "needn't"?

Also, "Faustian bargain." Nice. 8^)

fixed, thanks!

thanks for the edit :)

no problemo. 8^)

Last night around 1:00 am (Calgary, Canada), I had access to the paid app catalogue for a period of time. I didn't purchase an app at that point but I did download 'Isolde Trial'. Strange that they should now be saying that 1.4.1 is now a requirement for the paid app catalogue.

Has anyone else actually got the update so far. Cant just be one person!

It's because the Dutch are way cooler and way more laid back. If I was going to roll something out, I would start with them. They're way more chill than the US customers. I'm not sure why.... :-)

I'm Spanish...

Ohsnap

Spanish and Dutch are pretty much the same thing.

mine still says I have application updates available even though they're all updated, no sign of 1.4.1
- Canada

I wonder if his serial number is lowest in the forums. Maybe that is why he gets these first.

Maybe my IQ is the lowest...

tried free app sms link from few weeks ago, "not available in your country"

30minutes before the end of my work day, 10% battery left..... lol

Anybody in U.S. get it yet?

I'm ready! bring it on to sprint!

Wonder if any one else in Holland go it? Or is there only one pre in Holland?

While I am somewhat excited that the Palm Pre is getting another update to fix the "brokedness"... (I know that's not a word, thank you)

My FULL attention has already been diverted to the HTC Evo 4G. :-/


I do love my Pre, but I am ready for Palm to update this piece: Palm 100eww

No one cares.

and no one cares that you don't care

I do!

Evo is nice but no WebOS but at this point I'll take whatever works without having to open Jstop or rebooting my phone everytime I see too many cards which is everyday.

my condolences, good luck with the Sense EwwwI

+1 LMAO

Nice.

BUT, in terms of analogy, it would be the HTC EwwwI, thanks for your condolences, nonetheless.


"Palm 100eww" is a Pre (and a Sprint Pre, at that!) , for those wondering. :)

i don't understand you people !!! if you don't like it. good bye! i hope that you do get an htc or whatever in the hell your wishy washy, fickle, little mind desires at the mommet.
or at least stay out of the forum, stay outta grown folks conversation son! now run along now ... no i mean it! run the f@#k
along! sorry if i offend anyone that it was not intended for. 1.4.1!!! bring it ! PRE NATION ! One.

Nothing in Germany yet. But i have waited for paid apps for so long i can wait a couple more ours...

For those crying EVO go and actually pick up a droid and use it. You will realize it sucks for typing and its clunky and full of bugs.. The grass isn't much greener.

and the EVO is like the Droid, how (in terms of typing)?

I just don't know because I havent used an EVO.




AND, if you read every word in my comment, I am in no way putting down the Palm Pre. I stand by it, proudly; always flaunting it's abilities to those non-believers.

I'm just waiting and waiting to see what that Palm C40 is going to be!

:)

I agree, comparing the typing on the Doid to the EVO is absurd. one has a physical keyboard, the other does not. I have heard a fair number of complaints about the Droid keyboard. I have also heard complaints about HTC's virtual keyboard. The two aren't related though.

Update 3: At least one Sprint user, Daniel in Washington, has received the webOS 1.4.1 update

Is this Washington, D.C. or Washington State? I am in Seattle with nothing here...

I'm in the Washington, DC area. Nothing yet as of 3:50PM EDT.

I also am in DC, right in the heart of DC, but still no updates yet for me as of 5:05pm. I also have a sprint Pre.

Still nothing in Ireland. Removed the 800MHz patch, and my Pre is sad again :-(

Hey Dieter I love the faust reference.

nothing for the UK yet! however i have noticed that the number of apps, have gone down from 400+ to 131...

Hopefully they can integrate the Kernel Patch into Preware which would be pretty cool someday.

Hitting the update button again, again, again.......

Anyone else look at that screen and worry the battery might run out as the phone is updating?

I opened Preware on my Pre....and its doing something different than usual ( Im in California)It says..." Loading Package Information"....and is VERY VERY SLOW..........So seems changes are in the works here .....possibly !
Just a little info for everyone !

but... PreWare is homebrew..

so how would that be related to changes "happening?"

the changes don't happen until the update is actually released, downloaded, unpacked and installed (respectively in that order.)

Phew...what a process!

But yea, on a serious note, it most likely doesn't have anything to do with the update. Just a guess.

Don't forget Preware can now be configured to pull in all of the Palm feeds as well. So it could affect Preware.

Is there a change log for 1.4.1? I'm trying to decide whether to remove the 800MHz mod or disable updates until the new ipk process is released. I don't care about international paid apps or background app processing. But I really like the Pre's performance at 800MHz.

1.4.1 Rollout seems to start in Germany very soon. O2 just posted the following on their twitter feed:

"das Rollout von WebOS 1.4.1 beginnt - wird aber offensichtlich versetzt f

I'm with the O2 Simfree from Germany but I'm from Israel and I just get it...hope for something good..and btw it's 12MB

Laptop Mag March Madness going now!! Palm Pre Plus vs. HTC HD2....go vote!!!!!

okay I am on T-mobile same as tomi also in holland but still no update :-(
but thx for the remark we are way cooler haha I am gonna 'role' one out..... on that one.

I just downclocked back to 500 mhz for an impending update....

800mhz patch uninstalled.....sniff sniff

It's KILLIN me...

well, as most Dutch Pre owners around here, I'm not getting the update so far.

Hope that person plugs in their phone before they install...

I thought we should getting 1.4.2 NOT 1.4.1? Or there is one
more update in the pipe?

settle down beavis

spam...

my pc somehow kept reposting it. sorry if you babies can't just ignore a mistake...

PICNIC

We are winning by 10%!! Everyone vote for the blackberry tomorrow, no way we can take down DROID.

I got 1.4.1 installed now (Switzerland) but I don't see any paid apps in the App Catalog...

+1

I am on Orange, and 1.4.1 (10MB) just installed nicely, but no paid apps available (only the well known message pops-up: this application is not available in your country!). I believe Palm does not have Switzerland on their maps...

Has Anyone seen the new sprint iPhone commercial? Sprint really punks Apple it is fantastic.

is it on youtube?

I'd love to see this.... :)

damn!!! I cant use the app catalog with the new update and before it...
I'm from Israel and the app catalog does not work here! there is a solution for that??

I just have 3 words for everyone...

REMOVE YOUR THEMES!!!!!

This PSA has been brought to you by the association for those who have forgotten to remove their themes in the past and borked their phones, RCGaryK Treasurer...

1.4.1... is good and all when it gets here but I sure hope Palm is working on a "slab like" device. 4 inch screen & landscape or on screen keyboard. 1 Gig Sandragon chip or better, 5 mega pix or better camera, Glass screen and metal body. I love the WebOs, as to why I'm not thinking about switching yet. IMHO WebOs is the best mobile operating system available. But Palm need to step up to the plate if they intend to keep up. Because other platforms are going to start copying the things that sets WebOs apart from them.

Offering 3 devices with different form factor will help to cement WebOs to different demographics.

Come on Palm!

Leak something tantalizing like the rumored "C40".

Not really the right forum for this. most of us agree that one or two more devices in the family would be great, and no one would say no to better hardware. But try to stay topical.

AND 1

It is on the Sprint Facebook page. The dudes eats an apple hahahaha.

if you have preware installed, just apps, no themes or patches, is it safe to update?

Yes, it certainly is. As safe as any update for WebOS has been so far.

Come on! When will it be in the UK? Can't wait for the adobe flash 10.1 beta either!

I am new to this and was wondering what i should do about the 800mhz that i downloaded because of this update.

The answer to that is right in the main article..

How interesting that WebOS 1.4.1 and Android 2.1 are released within days of each other. Intentional?

I can't believe that a release notes log hasn't leaked yet!

Well how do you uninstall it the 800mhz kernel???

On the forum post with all the instructions to install it, it also tells you how to uninstall it.

the exact same way you installed it only replace the "install" with "uninstall" at the end of your command line.

Is my phone going to update automatically when 1.4.1 comes out or will i be able to choose if i want the update or not and wait until a new kernel is out for that update?

The update will eventually download automatically, whether you want it to or not. Safest bet is to uninstall the 800MHz kernel, just in case.

Am downloading now in UK

I got the notification! Downloading it now in Edinburgh!
It's a 12MB update for us on o2 UK, not 6MB as noted in this article. All that it says for the highlights is that we can now purchase and download paid apps.

Same O2 UK downloading yeah!!!!

Update released in the UK! Palm webOS 1.4.1 is currently downloading.

We will notify you when the update is ready to install.

Palm webOS 1.4.1
This update makes paid apps available. Now, in addition to all the free apps available in the Palm App Catalog, you can purchase and download paid apps.

Its just come through on my o2 palm pre in UK, and says its a 12mb download.

States will make paid apps available and thats it.

It just started downloading here at Chemnitz, Germany. 12MB for me

I'm dying for release notes..

getting it in ireland now

+1

I'm not sure if I'd be breaking my NDA at this point if I posted the changelog... I suspect not given that the update is rolling out... but I don't want to risk it.

But, at the same time, because everyone is interested and not everyone has early access as us developers do... the changes in 1.4.1 are largely technical in nature, you won't see any new features per se (unless the update includes things not previously disclosed of course). I'd anticipate seeing less Too Many Cards errors, performance should be improved especially in games (1.4.0 had some problems in this area that 1.4.1 should correct) and certain problems with background-type apps should also be alleviated.

There might always be some minor things sprinkled throughout, we've seen a fair bit of that with each update, but this is primarily what I'd personally label a bugfix release, not a feature release (which jives with the version number bump too) and you probably won't notice anything except a more stable, reliable and performant device, if all goes well :)

Downloading now in the Czech Republic! Fingers crossed for the paid apps in an unofficial country :)

about time am downloading the file now. I doubt ill buy any apps but good for the option

Unpacking as I write; lets hope it sorts out some of those really irritating bugs that crept in with 1.4.

Oh, and I'll be hitting the paid apps pretty hard

anybody have the update in canada

anybody have the update in canada

Nope, still waiting (in BC)

Nothing for me yet in Alberta Canada, it's currently 4PM

Downloadign now (o2 england)

anybody have the update in canada

492 apps?

I can confirm the update in Germany on the O2 network - downloading right now.

webOS 1.4.1 available in the Poland :)

I am with the Pre in Germany on T-Mobile (as it is simlock-free here) and see no update as of now!

I am with the Pre in Germany on T-Mobile (as it is simlock-free here) and see no update yet!
Why is that?

why so few apps? Thought there were nearly 2000?

I believe developers have to specify what countries to make the app available for in the apps store. Expect a flood of updates in the next few days as they add countries.

Installing now (O2 UK London)

12 mb has the new update, I'm in Berlin Germany :-)

Updating now here in Germany, happy :-)
http://yfrog.com/jal04j

Going to have to take your word on what us written on that site :)

Well, to my international webOS users, first, I will like to thank Palm for releasing it to you guys first. Why? So your can have access to paid-apps. I understand, some of you got the update 1.4.1, but not seeing as many apps. I think, in few days, developers will be releasing more free,&paid apps, to localized your countries. Palm already has the default option for developers to get it international, it's up to them to default their apps, with a woldwide release. Hang in there folks don't panic, sooner or later your app catalog going to see a very huge count, as developers releases their apps to more countries. Now palm, where's the 1.4.1 update for us (USA)? I hope we gets it tonite, or early tomorrow morning.

Well, to my international webOS users, first, I will like to thank Palm for releasing it to you guys first. Why? So your can have access to paid-apps. I understand, some of you got the update 1.4.1, but not seeing as many apps. I think, in few days, developers will be releasing more free,&paid apps, to localized your countries. Palm already has the default option for developers to get it international, it's up to them to default their apps, with a woldwide release. Hang in there folks don't panic, sooner or later your app catalog going to see a very huge count, as developers releases their apps to more countries. Now palm, where's the 1.4.1 update for us (USA)? I hope we gets it tonite, or early tomorrow morning.

Today in Canada we went from 506 free apps to 130, but without the 1.4.1 update.

To those of you in Europe getting 1.4.1, did your free apps return?

:(

Today in Canada we went from 506 free apps to 130, but without the 1.4.1 update.

To those of you in Europe getting 1.4.1, did your free apps return?

:(

1.4.1.1 d/ling in Los Angeles! Well Kind of d/ling... bar hasn't moved in a minute... but it seems to think it's there

Yep ... hitting US now.

1.4.1.1 downloading in Green Bay, WI. Bar is moving right along on my WiFi.