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webOS 2.0 coming to current devices in Q1 2011, or is that webOS 2.1? 160

by Derek Kessler Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:56 am EST

webOS 2.0, original Pre

Palm promised that HP webOS 2.0 would be available by the end of 2010. In a way, they’ve delivered, if you want the updated operating system all you’ve got to do is buy a Palm Pre 2. Maybe that’s not the most ideal of solutions, as most of us would prefer that we get the update free-of-charge and over-the-air on our current devices, but it’s looking like the old frustrating but purposely vague “coming months” line is what we’ll have to wait for.

According to a post on O2 Germany’s official Twitter account, webOS 2.0 won’t hit Palm devices on their network until the first quarter of next year, otherwise known as sometime between the beginning of January and the end of March 2011. O2 Germany’s Twitter timeline has always been remarkably frank about the state of Palm devices, so we’ll take them at their word, disappointing as it may be.

Separately, the folks over at webOS en Castellano heard from “private forums” that current Pre and Pixi devices might skip over webOS 2.0 and head straight to version 2.1, though they were given no timeline. That’s 2.1, not minor bug fixes 2.0.1. Our guess as to what’s in this until now unheard-of version of webOS: optimizations for the lesser hardware of previous generation (i.e. not Pre 2) devices and the absent Exhibition mode.

As always, we advise that you season your reading of rumors like this with a dash of salt, though you should keep in mind that the American Heart Association recommends you not exceed 3,000 milligrams of sodium in a day.

Source: O2 Germany (Twitter); webOS en Castellano; Via: webOS Blog.de; Thanks to Julian, Herman, and Gizmo21 for the tips!

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160 Comments

Right. WebOS 2.0 may appear "in the coming months". Or maybe not.

you know what'll be here in the coming months?

3000 milligrams of BS....

...oh wait, that's already here.

My thought is: why even bother with the legacy devices at that point? The pre will be 3 months from being 2 years old, and very close to the end of its expected life cycle.

If HP Palm has new hardware and a fully baked 2.0 OS to go on it(obviously they do have one, hopefully there will be more announced soon,) then they should just release the new hardware and forget the upgrade for the old devices. Yeah, that would make a lot of us early adopters who are holding on to their devices angry. But, it could present an opportunity: give all of us a coupon for $50 (or more, but not less) off the purchase of a 2.0 device, and that would be over and above the carrier discounts, of course. That might cost more than the cost of development for the backwards compatible 2.1 upgrade, but I would bet that the number of people who would actually take them up on that upgrade will be quite small.

I'd still like the webOS 2.0 on my Pre. I won't be eligible for an upgrade for a while, so it would have to be a pretty big coupon to get me to switch, so more than $50.

It is a timing question. Some of us don't get upgrades to new devices until Q3 2011, so even with a $50 coupon, it makes a new device a bit out of readch. Plus, if it runs on the older devices, what's the harm? I suspect more of the effort is based on carrier testing, not Palm making it work for older devices. But I could be wrong.

sigh!!! More waiting...

They have to have something to "announce" at CES! ;)

Yay CES!!!! :/

2009, a vertical slider, with an intuitive UI, 3.1" screen and a shallow battery that lets you multitask easily, for a few minutes, and a hope for Flash, soon.

2010, a vertical slider, with an intuitive UI, 3.1" screen and a shallow battery that lets you multitask easily, for a few minutes, and a hope for Flash, really soon.

2011, a vertical slider, with an intuitive UI, 3.1" screen and a shallow battery that lets you multitask easily, for a few minutes, and a hope for Flash, really, really soon from an carrier to be named, soon.

For the average smartphone buyer, they're going to wonder if they're seeing file footage when the video clips are released. If Pre2 and re-re-relaunch of WebOS is the focus of the CES presentation, I don't see any best-in-show designations likely. Maybe Ruby can showcase some BB or droid products to better demonstrate what HP power can do, soon.

Its kewl... my pre is broken anyway...

Sorry Palm, if this is true, this absolutely = FAIL! Just when we think this bullshit waiting may be finally over, it keeps getting pushed farther and farther ahead. I just don't know how you expect to hold onto your early adopters anymore? I'm so tired of waiting and waiting for nothing all this time. Why isn't Pre2 on Verizon yet?? Deliver on something Palm, for crying outloud! Use all those HP resources you have!

Blame the carriers.

Nope. Word is the O2 department that gets updates from Palm and subsequently releases them to customers, say THEY HAVEN"T EVEN RECEIVED WEBOS 2.0 FROM PALM for testing.

Wont matter. . .As my wife and my phones develops more and more problems with the hardware I am being as about as loyal as can be. By the time CES comes in January if no hardware is announced as available and on Sprint with an actual release date (not range), it is goodbye WebOS alltogether. Strung along for long enough.

I won't be waiting for CES. By the 31'st, I'll have moved on to a new carrier who doesn't sell WebOS phones anyway. AT&T sucks and I live in Cingular's home market (AT&T) where getting a 3G signal all over town should be effortless. If HP was trying to drive away palm's core group of supporters, they did a great job. Way to go HP.

I decided on the CES date the other day as it is only a week into the new year. By now, Christmas is too close and I am not going to make a rush decision on a phone because of the sales fliers and banners. I need to study the Android and WP7 phones available/ coming. It also gives Palm about 30 days to make it happen. I know that my ultimatum doesn't mean much if anything to them but I've been with palm since 99 and once I leave I dont intend to leave the next guy for as long. This forum has been great to me and sad to see it end up this way.

I've never been highly fond of HP, but I've really given them the benefit of the doubt because I've been an ardent Palm fan for over a decade. I've also been pretty excited about the possibility of the WebOS tablet.

But now, I'm mentally checked out. Software releases have been on agricultural time, Sprint appears to have given up on Palm, the hardware falls further behind day by day, and all the apps I want are coming out on Android almost exclusively. One or two of these, and I would hang on, but it is now quite clear that WebOS is done for good as a smartphone OS. Too bad - really!

So, now I'm looking at Android. I might stay with Sprint, but it will just be an economic decision now.

So my questions - Is there an Android community as awesome as this one? Does RWhidby, unixpsycho and the other heros of this community also do work with the Android OS? If so, where do they hang out?

There are a number of really awesome Android communities. check out xda-developers.com. I have learned most of what I know about Android from that site, and I still learn something every time I go there.
I am with you on the HP issue. It was a bummer when they acquired Palm. I have never had a WebOS device, but the Centro with PalmOS was a great little device. Well thought out, and easy to use. Moved on to a Treo Pro with WinMo and it was terrible. The Palm hardware worked great. The software was ridiculously bad.
If you are already with Sprint then you are in luck. The HTC Evo is a fantastic device. The screen size alone makes it worth while. The down side is the $10/month premium data fee. Sprint's plan is still the cheapest, even with that fee, but some people just are not willing to swallow that pill. They also have the LG Optimus S, which is also a pretty sweet little phone. Not as hot as the Evo as far as hardware goes, but a very nice entry-level phone that has gotten rock-solid reviews so far.

I agree. I've been a Palm fan since the 90's and I've suffered with terrible Pre hardware (Currently on my 9th Pre from Sprint). I'm tired of being strung along. If HP/Palm doesn't announce new hardware that's attractive to me at CES, I'm switching to Android.

CES or bust! I had initially said the holiday season if my Pre held up until then. My birthday is in a month and the release date must be given at CES or I'm gone! At this point, I don't even want the Pre2 on Sprint. New hardware, with multiple form factors HP. WebOS 2.whatever won't make a difference to me. My POS Pre's charging port just stopped working and I can only charge via stone...

This is soo sad!

Agreed! They MUST announce something at CES or I'm gone as well. You can only wait around so much with defective hardware before you just can't wait any longer. Even if new hardware is still a few months away, they need to tell us SOMETHING!!!

Anyone who is shocked by this news isn't a long time Palm user. For me, a launch day Sprint Pre user, what I need is new hardware first, software second. My device has been treated with kid gloves and lots of TLC but just about everyting that can go wrong with it - has.

I'm a loyal WebOS user, I just hope Sprint has a new device to upgrade to when my Pre gives up the ghost.

that's the problem right there. Expecting anyone to be a long time palm users. Those people are long gone. there aren't many. Most consumers aren't long time palm users. and if you want to sell phones you don't worry about that miniscule group and start to impress the trillions of non long time palm users.

the point is, that we all could live better with out old hardware if we only would have the new software!

ok this is the first time i'm saying anything like this, but, hp/palm have to step up their game or they going to get flushed out of the race "in the coming months". I love webOS and I like the Pre, but when you get no support from 3rd party developers because they say it's not worth their time to do anything for the phone, you have a problem. I would like a new webOS phone that I can get on sprint (i have a verizon pre right now) to where I won't get locked out for using features other people with the same phone can use. Step up, get everything uniformed, so everyone can enjoy the same features at the same time!

I love my Pre, but with the elimination of Classic and Epocrates, I think I may never get to see 2.0 or even 2.1. I'm going to be forced into an Android phone where there are apps available for what I need every day. Wish Palm would put something to the devs to get more apps out (and keep them) on the WebOS platform!

With you on that. I simply cannot wait around past December 31st. It's over Palm. You had your chance.

Be careful what you ask for! Not all apps are yet WebOS 2.X ready - I'd rather wait to get 'production-ready' software vs. current-state WebOS 2.0.

Cue the false dichotomy that says that one would rather wait for a working update later than get a buggy one now - as if waiting for an update ensures that it will be much better.

Be that as it may (agreed -- no guarantee), I know that Chapura and the other 3rd party sync solutions are NOT yet WebOS 2.x compliant. For me: that's mission-critical. Although I can't predict what Palm may (or may not) provide in future pathes, I know that a slide backwards in functionality when upgrading will cause a bunch of us to be pretty ticked.

If I was at Palm, I'd want to minimize that type of support call.

The earlier comment about alienating Palm's early adopters was spot on. I am bewildered that HP/ Palm are dragging their feet like they are; every single day they don't put out new hardware and software means more lost customers. And lost customers are very difficult to get back.

This site is the one place where people who still support Palm congregate, and the prevailing theme of the comments is "you're losing us, Palm!" Are they falling on deaf ears, or are the executives brain dead? As one of the most vocal Palm evangelists, even I am starting to think about abandoning webOS for Android or even, GASP, iOS. The casual, seemingly lazy attitude taken by HP/ Palm no longer frustrates me; it angers me.

Pay attention, Palm: you have ALMOST reached the tipping point or, if you will, the point of no return. You better get your act together.

Well, they've just decided that their Christmas vacation is more important then webOS fans.

to be fair. i think my xmas vacation is more important then webos fans too.

seconded. motion carries.

You got that from Ben 10: Alien Force didn't you?

Since the original Pre is now EOL on Sprint, does anyone think Sprint will really give any priority to this update? They have to invest time, money and manpower to test it before they release it to customers. Will they really be willing to do all of that in a timely manner for a phone they are no longer selling?

I hope they do, but in reality its business and I can see them trying to push existing Pre owners to upgrade to other devices.

Sprint will likely just send the update on through without any testing considering there probably aren't enough Pre/Pixi users left to cause a serious uproar with their customer service department.

Partially joking... =/

Hey, that would be fine with me!

totally agree. just make sure you can make calls and get data. other then that i don't care. 2.0 is totally unimpressive to me anyways, i just want the customizable spell checker honestly. The rest and stacks i couldn't care less about.

wow, nice to see somebody that actually shares the same opinion. I said the same thing when the precentral webOS 2.0 preview came out and was nearly stoned to death.

You're probably right. I feel bad for sprint users, they really are in a bad spot.

yeah and soon we'll see in the first have of 2011. When that times passes by we'll see that the network provider and palm are working very hard to get full working update.........

On my 2nd pre since launch day but phone is still kicking ass. Oreo effect, slightly broken usb door but, my internals are still performing. Maybe I'm lucky, but waiting has been the name of the game. What's anoher few months? For me, it's too late to turn back now.
hp|palm owes us nothing!!! If ur an early adopter, delays is what you have to expect. I guess people don't realize how the merger affected everything from the hardware to software development. I too, wouldn't mind webOS 2.1. it's been clear that all this time since the pre2 launch, has been developer testing and working out bug issues. Again, we continue to wait, and hope for the best.

i still like my pre also... i just want webos 2.0 cuz i need to take my pre in to get replaced cuz it has some issues and i dont feel like resyncing all my phone numbers with fb contacts. i know 2.0 backs those linkages up... thats pretty lazy isnt it haha. ill prob just bring it into sprint afterwork. mayb, i was up late last night

fits inline w/ there 'coming months' statements... The did say exhibition will arrive w/ the OTA updates....

All I want for Christmas is encryption for my Pre. . .

I guess the people at Palm was like "You know what, let's just go hibernate a little more, we'll wake up at the end of Q1 2011 to announce to the fans that they should wait until Q2 instead, just to keep them excited. Oh wait, maybe we'll just set up an automated Javascript on our PR website to do that automatically on a quarterly basis, then we can continue with the laziness without interruption... "

let me go an record as predicting that it will happen in Q1. In fact, I will pick the date: March 37th ot March 38th.

LOL. I checked my calendar and I am available both dates!

Excellent. I'll send you a calendar invite from my Pre...

*ya see what I did there? :-)

Yes and it was awesome!

Is it going to all 57 states or just the lower 48?

may not be soon enough for me. :( I love my Palm Pre- but it's literally in two peices being held together by duct tape. I'll be gone on a trip and probably won't get to find out what's on CES, but I hope there's some super HP/Palm phone that I can tinker with when I return to the states.
If there's isn't, it would be a sad day for humanity as another WebOS lover slips slowly into insanity. Drowning himself in drugs, alcohol, sex and lies that there's a better OS. Convincing himself Android is better, that iPhone is better. Only to feul the rage and sorrow that's boiling in the pit that HP/Palm created to whisper their words of promise and false hope. Forever in love, but hopelessly lost. The wandering soul may never see the shining knight that has promised to return, and reclaim his throne. Here's to high hopes, as the story continues, and only time will tell.

*Lone, slow clap heard, steadily joined by others until ultimately resulting in a thundering standing ovation, the likes of which have not been heard since Lou Gehrig slowly walked off the field for the final time.*

Epic

Don't worry Palm, I will happily wait until March :)...........ugghhhh not really

let me go an record as predicting that it will happen in Q1. In fact, I will pick the date: March 37th ot March 38th.

Wow. Shocker.

Man, we really are masochists, aren't we?

I know it's much more in vogue to complain, but as a 6/6/09 Palm Pre purchaser, I've been pleased. Most folks only post when they're unhappy - the folks who are pleased with their devices don't have a compelling interest to comment. So the comments run heavily to disgruntled users. I'm very grateful to PreCentral.net and the homebrewing community that makes my Pre not just usable but enjoyable. My parents have Evo's, my daughters have the Optimus and every time I help them with their phones, I'm grateful for the simple elegance of webOS. And since I'm not eligible for an upgrade until 4/6/11, I'm content to watch and wait. (OK, I'll slink back into my hole and let the bombardment continue!)

Nathan its safe to say most of us are launch date Pre owners and very loyal believers in what WebOS does and could be. . .the rest of the folks left when they could get a new phone. None of us are saying we don't love our Pre's or WebOS. Unfortunately phones are not made to last longer than 12 months for heavy users . . 18 months in hardware failures are the problem. As heavy users we would love to see more functionality and stay current. No software updates and new applications makes a phone stale. When you are taping it or doing workarounds to be able to talk on the phone, you get a little vocal when there is a bill that still must be paid.

i hear yuh on the staleness... luckily i got a ipod touch. i got all the apps i need :) Dungeon hunter 2 is an awwwesome game btw.

not a shocker. But to say Palm delivered on a 'promise' (albeit tongue in cheek) is stretching it.

Didn't Ruby say WebOS 2.0 would be delivered to ALL devices by end of 2010?

Just another failed deadline to me.

Yeah, but that was part of the same roadmap that had Palm surviving as an independent company.

I have a pre 2 since release here in the UK, and I love it. It has enough power and new features to keep me happy until I see whats down the road at CES. However, I do feel for the US contingent, I am astounded that Palm haven't released the Pre 2 there yet, it makes absolutely no financial sense, and must be seriously pissing off their users.

On a side note, the Pre 2 is a MASSIVE leap up on the Pre+, and if you like the form factor (as I do), really pretty much the ultimate Pre. Worth waiting for.

I bet you're having a ball with that 5mp camera huh? I've always been impressed with the picture and video quality on the pre +.

It will only keep you happy for a month?

Is that how it's like with the average smartphone owner?

If they can't even deliver on this promise, I am fearing the rumored big announcements for CES will be very non existent, let alone an actual release of new hardware to follow soon after. Let's see how fast Google gives us Android 3, my guess before any new Palm hardware, and I will be happy to switch.

I moved to Android when my Pre left me stranded in Dallas over Thanksgiving. Even a replacement battery provided by Sprint wouldn't hold a charge for more than thirty minutes. Virtually all of the webOS functions that I thought I'd miss are forgotten with the increased functionality, dependability, beauty, applications, etc. provided by my HTC Evo. Don't wait any longer. I will return to Palm when they offer a superior product.

I'm on my fourth Sprint Pre since launch day...and have had to deal with many of the well known problems with the hardware, from the oreo effect to the loose battery that shuts off the phone at the slightest bump. But this news is just too much...I love WebOS, but it's almost like H/Palm is taking advantage of this loyalty and patience we've all been showing. Believe it or not Palm, this loyalty is not blind...either give us this new update sooner than 'in the coming months' or some killer new hardware at CES, or lose a lot of the base that have been hanging by a thread as you string us along.

I'm as dissapointed as everyone else, but it's hard to blame Palm for this. Don't you think they would want the OS out there asap? It's the carriers, stupid! They don't see the Pre has having enough market share to justify spending lots of resources to test out the new update. My only thought is that HP could try threatening/bribing them in various ways to get it through, but maybe they don't have the kind of leveredge we assume and/or the industry doesn't work that way. I certainly don't blame folks for running from Sprint, at least, given the now ancient hardware and aging 1.4.5 OS.

If HP doesn't demo new hardware at CES, there will be yet more marketshare bleeding, but I'll continue believing despite that, that consumers are fickle and/or have little memory. We are all exceptions here being enthusiasts, but the vas majority will just buy whatever new shiney object that comes along that looks really impressive, as long as it's marketed well...

Makes me wonder if HP knows anything about the cell phone business at any level. So far everything seems quite amateurish.

why does everyone think that HP/Palm has released WebOS 2.0(.x) for legacy devices, and that it's just the carriers holding it up? what evidence is there, ANYWHERE, that this is the case? it seems quite obvious that HP has not released 2.0 for any device other than the Pre2. It probably isn't ready to run yet on legacy devices, and won't have all the needed code until WebOS 2.1 or something like that.

Seeing how Telcel won't even release 1.4.5 OTA even though you can get it shows how much power the carriers have over updates.

every time PC posts a blog like this, it generates another round of "well, that's it for me" responses.

Well, that's it for me.

Yet they never do make good on their threats. Makes you wonder how seriously we should take them...

I don't know what all the fuss is about. I have have had my phone since about a month after it came out(Pre-) and it's been patched and brewed to where I don't even care about 2.0. 1ghz kernal, landscape enabled when ever a patch comes out, led light and it is tethered using a program I baught that's not available without computer, download youtube, virtual keyboard, access to usb without computer and more. Never needed to be replaced for any issues. Maybe some poeple need to learn how to handle there phones. Besides you should be luck they are even pushing an update for devices, since in now way are they obligated too. There are plenty of companies that wouldn't even if they could and that would be called supply and demand(or something like it). If it were apple you would probably have to pay and if you on anything andriod 2.0 or earlier good luck with that one. So enough wine, wine, give me now and just thank the poeple at hp for even allowing you to preview 2.0 without somehow buying or looking at there new phone.

Listen jpre, my wife that takes care of her pre has had to change her phone 3 times for issues with the phone going off line and staying that way, wifi and bluetooth not connecting and phone not charging. And these are issues right out the box. What do you have to say about that?

I would say maybe go buy a lucky rabbits foot because she has some bad luck. Now I'm sorry that you experienced some of the weird issues. But when I think of something like that I can't help but wonder if the truck driver or possibly store employee droped some boxes. Quality control not the quality of the product.

maybe you are one of the lucky dumb asses that ended up with a good pre cuz I've have the some other issues with mine as well as everyone else here at precentral. You know what maybe you are just special like that. Either way we all know nobody owes us shit. Most of us invested on these phones from early release and we got hooked and all we want is a next generation device available to us by our cariers. Is that too damn much to ask for. It's not like we want it to compensate for the lack of quality of the original pre. We actually want to pay for this device and we want it sooner rather than later. If you can not comprehend that then you need to shut that dumb ass mouth and keep your ignorant comments to your self.....

Have you been living under a rock for the last 16 months? Yes, there were quality issues with the Pre, my wife and I have replaced 12 of them between us, and we do take care of our phones but when the screen stops working or the keyboard or the WIFI or the BT stop working there is nothing we can do about it.

Heck, I even replaced 2 phones in one day when my keyboard stopped working and then the replacement phone would not charge at all.

p.s the take care of phone comment was not directed at you or your wife and appologise if you took it that way.

p.s. Sorry for the animosity in my last comment...... I love webos and my pre minus all of the quality problems. I just really want an upgrade already.....and I don't mean the pre 2. Something better......

But if people actually took care of their phones the phone insurance companies would go out of business. Can't have that now, can we?

Actually, the AHA recommends limiting sodium intake to 2400mg / day. No wonder heart disease is so prevalent......

Yea it's coming... So is Christmas, but what year...
Here is HPalms issue albeit unknown to them:
1 unhappy customer tells at least 10 others...
So if there are 1 million of us UNHAPPY out here, that's developers & users then we might impact 10,000,000; I say much more due to our tendency to help others.. So maybe 15 MILLION Potential HPalm customers. Not such a small # as HPalm thinks. it's just a small user base out there... "Let em wait" "they won't impact Sales" famous quotes that helped take down other products & companies...
Coming Soon..... Demise of Palm technology? Or...

So if Europe is supposed to get the update in Q1 2011, what does that mean for us in the U.S.???

I bet Sprint and ATT need to wait until Verizon releases the pre2 before even thinking about pushing out 2.0 or 2.1 or whatever. Maybe palm should have called in the Droid Pre or the iPre so they could have gotten at least a notice from Verizon.

this is totally a joke, I want to switch, Bye Palm and I'll be back after 2 years. No more waiting and life moves so slow with Palm.

I got myself a used Droid earlier this morning before reading this news item. This article just confirmed to me that it was the right move.

Although I still love my Pre and webOS I'm getting a tad bit tired of everything and everyone saying "coming months".

life moves fast, don't miss a thing.

PALM

lol. nice

I will not wait for WebOS 2,0. I lost 2 years of my life reading news from liars.

Personally i think it's due to difficulty in converting the contact database from 1.0 -> 2.0

Currently 2.0 is more buggy than 1.0.

it would not be good for currently customers to upgrade and start to experience problems.

Chris

KCl tastes better than NaCl and is just as salty and you can season your WebOS upgrade rumors with it as much as you want and never get hypertension.

I'm not that excited about WebOS 2 though because I have a feeling that it will make my old Sprint Pre run like a dog. Probably a dog named "Tripod."

The speaker is blown and the on/off switch doesn't work(I have to turn it on with the keyboard slider) on my Pre. If there's nothing imminent announced at CES I have to move on. Palm could be a business school case study for how to run a company into the ground. They are galactically inept.

I have no reason to believe that Palm reads these posts, but if they do, I bought the iPod touch 4g last week and I have been thoroughly impressed with the OS. It is not as refined for multitasking as webOS. But, the hardware is solid, the display is gorgeous, and the OS is very nicely done. I have been with Palm for over 10 years, so I'm not in the group of people who threaten to run off to another carrier/platform/planet every time Palm delays something or doesn't do what we think they ought to. But, I have to say, if the iPhone comes to Verizon before the Pre2 or before webOS 2 is released to existing Pre Plus phones, it will be a tough decision to make. It may be that the great Palm phones are still a year or two away.

Palm and HP seem to be clear that they are in this webOS business for the long term and they are not going to rush into anything just to please their current users. Jonathan Ezor's editorial a couple weeks ago addressed the same issue and I think he was right. Current phone users are a small part of the big picture and they are willing to sacrifice current users as they work out the long term plan.

It will be an interesting year for Palm in 2011. I am hoping for their success. For those of us that are wanting to be on the cutting edge of technology and hardware, it is likely to be a long road.

The problem with Palm and HP looking at webos for the long term is best exemplified with the Blackberry Playbook. There is now a tablet on the market that acts just like webos and HPalm is absent. When they finally do launch a Palmpad in the coming months or in 2013, whichever comes first, it will be treated like a ripoff of the BB.

Users are abandoning Palm which leads to developers leaving which feeds the cycle while HPalm is packing up the car for the long road. Problem is that this "long road" only reaches to the end of the driveway.

Also remember that BB is going to replace their current OS with that of the Playbook's on their phones as well. Maybe this is how it needed to be. Palm had the spark, but never really the ability to nurture the thought. In the end, who cares what it is called as long as it is good. Palm will simply become slang for someone who urinates all over themselves. "Oh, look at poor Rubi. He got piss drunk and palmed himself."

Also remember that BB is going to replace their current OS with that of the Playbook's on their phones as well. Maybe this is how it needed to be. Palm had the spark, but never really the ability to nurture the thought. In the end, who cares what it is called as long as it is good. Palm will simply become slang for someone who urinates all over themselves. "Oh, look at poor Rubi. He got piss drunk and palmed himself."

I'm starting not to care any more. I was all excited for WebOS 2 and new devices, not so much because I really want them myself (my Pre+ works great, and there's very little lacking in WebOS 1.4.5 for my purposes), but because this was supposed to be the re-birth of the WebOS platform that would result in the single most important thing: more apps from more developers.

I'm working on my service billing today, and am discovering yet again that not having a decent billable time tracking app is actually costing me time and money. When the app is difficult to use, it discourages use. When it won't interface to an accounting program to facilitate timely billing, it discourages timely billing. So now I'm stuck hand-entering over a month's worth of billable times from incomplete records on the phone. Yes, if I were perfect I'd have kept perfect records anyway despite the inadequacies of the app, and I'd still have entered the billing every week despite the fact the app makes it a PITA. But I'm not perfect, that's why I want a app that ACTUALLY HELPS ME! Such apps actually exist for other platforms, but not for WebOS and it's 1% market share.

With such a small market, there's no room for niche apps of interest to only .01% of the users (which works out to what, 50 users?). On iOS or Android .01% is still a million users.

At least I've got Angry Birds. Oh, wait, the other platforms have Angry Birds too.

It looks like HP may be serious about re-booting the WebOS platform one day in the (increasingly distant) future... I needed them to be serious about it 6 months ago.

If only my bookmarks/history would work, I'd stay and wait. Can't believe I passed up the EVO on Wirefly for $98...(black monday)

wow let the Palm exodus begin.. I've been hanging tight to my Palm Pre minus at Sprint since I sat in line at 7am on launch day. I have been defending it and even posting here when I am happy with news I hear....

unfortunately if nothing is announced at CES or if the stuff announced isn't going to be released on Sprint until June or worse yet not on Sprint at all I will be making the Android jump.. I think I threw up a little in my mouth after typing that...

but on my Sprint plan I'm eligiable for upgrades every March... So hopefully I'll only be on an Android device for 6months while waiting for new Palm hardware. If all that Sprint gets is a WebOS tablet then I'll stick with the Android phone and activate my second line on my account for the tablet...

my Pre minus is on it's last legs.. My battery dies after 3hours if I'm lucky.. Doesn't like to connect to the evdo network her in the Chicago area.. And loves to go offline.. Been doctored up numerous times.. And this is my 4th Pre.....

it sucks it's come to this but I keep using my ladies Samsung Galaxy S phone on T-Mobile of all companies and am enjoying the hardware more and it's running better then my Pre... Do I miss WebOS easability of use.. Hell ya.. Do I miss true multitasking? .. Hell ya.....

I've been waiting for 6months for news... I understand a merger happened and there would be a delay... But when the execs keep saying coming months.. Then the VP of HP breaks out that flexible display that won't be available for another couple of years is a joke because he's just showing us flashiy new stuff to try and take our minds off the coming months slogan...

the new WebOS slogan should be this...

"WebOS life moves fast.. Don't miss a thing..... In the coming months"

if I switch I will be back.. I want my WebOS... But I want it on a better device I don't have to treat like fine china otherwise it'll break... Great OS.. Probally the best OS... But flea market knock off hardware quality.

Too bad, my Pre+ will continue to remain in its box until then...actually i may just sell it altogether.

In the interim, it's back to iOS for 4.2 for me as usual.

Well, maybe by that time Sprint will have some good choices for Windows Phone 7 hardware and we can see if Palm has made the wait worthwhile. Otherwise WP7 is looking better and better.

Hp/Palm is doing a real good job at PISSING ME OFF. WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR YOU PEA BRAINED IDIOTS TO ANOUNCE A GOOD PHONE! SELLING THE SAME PHONE 3 TIMES DOES NOT REPEAT DOES NOT GET YOU MARKETSHARE. YOU WONDER WHY YOU GET NO CARRIER LOVE PALM HUH DO YA! IT'S BECAUSE YOU MAKE PRODUCTS THAT NO ONE GIVES A DAMN ABOUT. Mind my "Capslock of RAGE!" you (Jon Rubinshit) need to step it up and make 2011 a good year for palm. I've had my pixi for 6 months now and you have untill june 2012 to satisfy me or else. This is coming from the only palm user in my family. Everyone else has android and they're doing a good job convincing me to get an android when I upgrade.

If only my bookmarks/history would work, I'd stay and wait. Can't believe I passed up the EVO on Wirefly for $98...(black monday)

well... I'm eligible for my premier upgrade in march. I intend to upgrade to a new webos device or windows phone 7.. Depending on which is available. If neither is in march... Then which ever is lanched first after is what I plan to go with.

I think it was American Motors.

I think maybe Palm and HP learned marketing from the management at Commodore computing.

I was thinking the same thing. It feels mighty familiar.

No, I think it was American Motors.

I'm pissed! My wife has been waiting for months now for her update to Android 2.2 on her Epic 4G, MONTHS! Get it together Samsung and Sprint or I am leaving for a Symbian device!! Or maybe even Bada!! Android 2.3 is out now for crying out loud! This is pathetic.

I'm cool with my Pre though, just wanted to share in the rage fun.

Haha, there are still devices on 1.6 for crying out loud! For Android, all the carriers AND device manufacturers have to vet the updates because each one slaps their own UI on it. For all the whining on here about not getting updates, it sure seems like it's a similar case with Android. God forbid you should get an Android non-superphone, seems like they don't support anything but the newest and best.

Wow! Like someone said, let the exodous begin. The comments here are so completely negative.

Well, I'm going to be waiting until at least May or June before deciding on a new device. If Palm manages to release a killer wimax phone on Sprint by then, I will be glad to buy it. There is so much I like about webos, but all of it can (and will) be easily duplicated on other platforms. It's just a matter of time.

Does webOS 2.0+ have WiFi proxy support? If not, (I've said it before) then there is no way it can be considered "enterprise ready."

If hp/palm were to offer this update for purchase would you pay for it? In order to get it for free, it could mean waiting until they and the carriers reach a consensus.

I've got my first Pre- shortly after launch day. Then almost a year later the headphone jack wore out and I sent it to palm and they sent me a new phone. I was so excited to get video recording capabilities back in the spring, but now my camera app rarely works at all. Sometimes the pictures have an array of vertical rainbow colored stripes. It's crazy.

All that being said, I hope all these delays we've been seeing mean both (1) they are working on making sure software bugs are worked out before releasing in the usa and (2) they are updating hardware and internal components to the latest technology so that the devices are a good notch above the competition.

I mean, if they release something with subpar hardware and components, that's not doing anyone any favors.

I've got my first Pre- shortly after launch day. Then almost a year later the headphone jack wore out and I sent it to palm and they sent me a new phone. I was so excited to get video recording capabilities back in the spring, but now my camera app rarely works at all. Sometimes the pictures have an array of vertical rainbow colored stripes. It's crazy.

All that being said, I hope all these delays we've been seeing mean both (1) they are working on making sure software bugs are worked out before releasing in the usa and (2) they are updating hardware and internal components to the latest technology so that the devices are a good notch above the competition.

I mean, if they release something with subpar hardware and components, that's not doing anyone any favors.

I've got my first Pre- shortly after launch day. Then almost a year later the headphone jack wore out and I sent it to palm and they sent me a new phone. I was so excited to get video recording capabilities back in the spring, but now my camera app rarely works at all. Sometimes the pictures have an array of vertical rainbow colored stripes. It's crazy.

All that being said, I hope all these delays we've been seeing mean both (1) they are working on making sure software bugs are worked out before releasing in the usa and (2) they are updating hardware and internal components to the latest technology so that the devices are a good notch above the competition.

I mean, if they release something with subpar hardware and components, that's not doing anyone any favors.

I've got my first Pre- shortly after launch day. Then almost a year later the headphone jack wore out and I sent it to palm and they sent me a new phone. I was so excited to get video recording capabilities back in the spring, but now my camera app rarely works at all. Sometimes the pictures have an array of vertical rainbow colored stripes. It's crazy.

All that being said, I hope all these delays we've been seeing mean both (1) they are working on making sure software bugs are worked out before releasing in the usa and (2) they are updating hardware and internal components to the latest technology so that the devices are a good notch above the competition.

I mean, if they release something with subpar hardware and components, that's not doing anyone any favors.

I think what most people in these forums fail to realize is that palm pre users are such a small fraction of the smart phone community at large that HP/Palm doesn't really care if you jump ship at this point or not. They are in the process of rebranding themselves and that means attracting a new consumer base. Don't be surprised by a lack of support from HP...I honestly don't expect to ever get webOS 2.0 on my pre...(or flash for that matter). The less you follow these rumored timelines, the less disappointed you will be. It's annoying to have to read these constant 'they better show something at CES or else!!' comments....or else what? or else you will leave Palm and turn their 1.3% market share to

If that's how they see it, it's unfortunate, but realistically it makes sense. Try to hang on to 1% of the market, or make a big push to gain 5%, 10%, or even 15% of the market with your next generation of devices?

You're completely right..That's why I say, why bother with upgrading the old devices?

Because who the hell is gonna wanna buy the next webOS phone when users see that the last generation just gets abandoned after owning the product for 1 year. Most users aren't buying a new phone every year and want to see their phone updated even after they have used it for a while.

On that note, most users don't like to see their phones falling apart after 1 year either. HP has their work cut out for them on this front, so they really don't want to start looking lazy on the software side as well.

if webOS 2.0 upgrade for palm pre(plus) and pixi(plus) doesn't come up until 1 Jan 2011

that means no more webOS for me.

I've got my first Pre- shortly after launch day. Then almost a year later the headphone jack wore out and I sent it to palm and they sent me a new phone. I was so excited to get video recording capabilities back in the spring, but now my camera app rarely works at all. Sometimes the pictures have an array of vertical rainbow colored stripes. It's crazy.

All that being said, I hope all these delays we've been seeing mean both (1) they are working on making sure software bugs are worked out before releasing in the usa and (2) they are updating hardware and internal components to the latest technology so that the devices are a good notch above the competition.

I mean, if they release something with subpar hardware and components, that's not doing anyone any favors.

I have it on good authority it will come out February 30, 2011.

Somebody already made that joke...

Damn!! really. there's 90 darn posts. i guess i missed it. i even tried to skim to make sure. i should re-edit it. nah.

I think I'll switch to Vertu

I think it's safe to say HP/Palm doesn't get it/care. Goodbye palm. Last one out, turn out the light.

for whoever is interested:

o2online_de
Das Alice Model Vanessa Hessler bleibt uns auch bei o2 noch erhalten. Das ist mal eine sch

Translation

translated and in short: they are eager to get it too, palm/hp is late, probably still working on it. O2 expects the update to arrive in January

thanks. . . .uh but i think i will pass. . . .

http://mobile.twitter.com/o2online_de/status/14378913912332288

so O2 says "HPalm is still heavyly coding and they expect it in January."

...so if they get it in Jan, they have to look over it after the holidays and we as user get in feb++
Well that's both, "in the coming month" and " in Q1/11".

January 10th is the day of Mass Exodus. . .the few that are left. Wake up, check Precentral for announcement from Palm at CES . . find that there is no exciting hardware coming in upcoming months or by end of Q1 (ish). . . .head to Sprint store to get something new.

Just got the mail and Sprint mailed out a pretty nice feature for the Samsung Galaxy Tab. I doubt they will get whatever tablet comes from HPalm as they are already behind one tablet. . . .or maybe they will get that BlackPad er Playbook as well.

Correction, with how few people are left it would just be called an "exodus", you need "mass" to have a "mass exodus".

Last one out, please turn off the light.

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I am so glad i left palm for the epic 4g. Same old BS we have been hearing for months. Oh 2.0 is coming will be here next month. 2.0 is coming it will be here next month. 2.0 is coming it will be here by the end of the year. 2.0 is coming will be here by the first quarter. Next it will be 2.0 is coming it will be here by Q2.. lol
Palm really knows how to hold on to its customer. LOL. My palm pre was outdated... needed something nicer and all palm can provide is a pre 2? give me a break.... It was fun while it lasted but there are to many good phones out there to sit around and wait on web os 2.0.

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cool!!!!

I dont believe in PALM-HP or any rumors

I don't mind the complete incompetence on Palm/HP's parts, but the fact they led people along to waste good upgrade time is completely dishonest. Oh, just around the corner. It will be here soon. Just another month (months ago).

Just because there was no contract doesn't mean we shouldn't have been able to expect the interaction be covered with a good faith clause.

You willing to take that clause to court?

I don't think there's any incompetence on HPalm's part. You've gotta understand. Palm said they'd have it by Y/E 2010. Then HP bought Palm. I don't know the workings of HP, but I'm sure that everything had to be vetted first, before Palm does anything.

Heck, I don't know, nor do I work there.

I've seen reports that we're going to see some interesting things come out. Here's to hoping so. I love WebOS, even if the hardware is a tad bit dodgy (though, honestly, I'm only on #2 -- it's a refurb from Asurion -- and it's a Chuck Norris pre - It overclocks to 1.2ghz stable).

I think that HP is going to really do some neat stuff here!

WebOS UI blows Android out of the water, but Android has choice of hardware, consistent updates, developer support and numerous apps. HPalm has a lot of catching up to do. I am going Android sometime soon because my Pre is just as obsolete as a feature phone.

When you have to make a list of the Android phones that you think will get the next major OS release, that doesn't say consistent updates to me.