webOS 2.0 SDK hits YouTube 112
We can't say how long this will say online, but somebody going by webos1337 has posted a video of some of the features of webOS 2.0 up on YouTube. It includes just a little more detail than what we've already seen from the leaked screenshots. Specifically, we get a tiny peek at how card stacks are managed and a bit of a look at how the Just Type interface will look.
It's also as clear to us as ever (as it didn't seem to be to the internet at large for some reason) that the MobileMe and DropBox 'integration' is simply a feature of QuickOffice and not of webOS proper. Unfortunately, it also looks like QuickOffice's support for some office file formats leaves a bit to be desired.
We are intrigued to see that just a little more functionality seems to have been added to the notification dashboard. The detail-oriented among us might also notice that the launcher now looks and feels a bit more like a standard webOS 'card' instead of an overlay drawer.
Rahul Sood has said that what we've seen so far with we've seen thus far with webOS 2.0 isn't the full story, but if nothing else this latest leak should give some developers yet more reason to be pumped for webOS 2.0.
Thanks Maydae23!
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lol! :) PallMM !!!!!
Pretty Epic!
it looks like someone has taken it off youtube
Downloaded and preserved in case it disappears from youtube!...
gotta love to download from youtube patch... Just did the same thing to show my buddy that's a developer that's on the fence about making the WebOS path. He wants to but has his reservations. But don't most devs looking into WebOS? Lol
Well it's gone now. Anyone have a download link?
looks clean
Gonna make me jump for joy!
I seriously can't wait for the patch developers to get on this.
You know, I think it would be cool if Palm/HP hosted a hot apps contest for patches, that'd be cool.
Wow, that song made it even more exciting! LOL Bring on teh two point ohhhhhhhh!
This makes last week's leak of a screenshot look trivial.
Yawn..... This software better be f**king awesome because if its not revolutionary, and coupled with kick ass hardware myself and what few webos users I know are going to android. I'm sick and tired of my friends and classmates flaunting their awesome android hardware or iphone apps (palm has neither).
Well with that attitude and sense of entitlement, good riddance.
Hope you like android.
I think 2.0 is looking great so far and i cant wait to try out the new features on some new hardware, which im sure will be competitive and not a flop like RIM's late to the party Torch.
BTW palm has plenty going for it if you bother to look.
Really? like what? The only thing going on my pre is the spiderwebbing of cracks on the gesture area. And I'm sure you have never even used an evo or epic.
What the hell do you do with yours, chop ice for snow cones or something?
Mine is a year old now and the only thing wrong is the (dumb) USB door broke off a few months ago (which I don't care about - life is easier without it).
M.
I probably could considering the bottom is pretty sharp, an no it fell from about a foot off the ground. and My usb door fell off months ago.... Why the hell even include the damn thing.
Mine has fallen from 4, 5 and 3 feet respectively 3 times onto concrete floors, and more times than I can count onto carpeted floors. The most I have to show for all that abuse is two miniscule cracks on each edge, and one slightly larger internal fracture on the corner. None break the surface of the phone or cause loss of function. They are cosmetic only, and only on the sides.
By the way, my phone is a release model Pre that I've had since 2 weeks after launch.
If your Pre is spiderwebbed that badly, either you have been smashing it with a ball-peen hammer, or the fall was WAY farther than a foot. I submit that you are incredibly rough on your phone and don't even realize it. Next time get a case, and don't carry it in the pocket of your supertight hipster pants. Phones don't bend, they shatter.
I have dropped my Pre 3 times onto the concrete sidewalk. Two of those times, it slid facedown about 1 to 3 feet across said concrete.
Only damage is the upper left hand corner chipped, and there's a slight abrasion on the screen that no one even notices unless I point it out. All of these falls were without a case (though I did drop it a 4th time before those with a case, and the case broke). And all of them were from 4+ feet, two of them were while running, hence the sliding.
So in short, what in the hell do you do with your Pre that it's cracked? Mine even still has the usb door (though to be fair, I use a touchstone at home so I only open it to sync or at work).
I don
+1. My wife is on her third replacement Pre - usb port went out, touchscreen went haywire, etc... She is considering an Android phone, but I told her I'd have to leave her if she did that. Blasphemy!
I feel your pain !
Bye!!!!
Wait, what? What is so good about Android? The only thing that I find that is any good related to Android is Verizon's marketing. Android is an ugly interface, yes I have used the Evo, yes I went and looked at the Epic the day it came out. I even had the option of getting either for free because Best Buy screwed up my replacement Pre via Black Tie Protection (I declined to getting either). Having an Android tablet and constantly helping my father out with his Evo has pretty much shown me everything I need to know about Android (especially that I do not want to give up WebOS). I even was without my Pre for a month and was soley working on an Android device, it was killing me how horrible the UI was for my everyday phone. I do enjoy using my Android tablet, but only because there is no other option (iPad's lack of multitasking kept me away, not to say that Anroid's multitasking is any good, because its more of a chore than helpful). The next device coming out of HP Palm I am sure is gonna be up to par with what is expected to be a competitor in the mobile market. That is something that we should not worry about. To me what matters is the software, WebOS is already better than any other phone OS, including Android. I really just don't get the hype behind Android. Besides what I have listed above, the Anroid OS is completely cannibalized by all the crap devices and different firmwares running on so many devices.
I am sad to see you go, but it's ok because I know you will be back. You know you love your Pre.
Desktop and Widgets. That's the only real software feature i envy. (and perhaps some of the out of the box customibility).
UberKernel, F105, or SR71 will easily make a Pre Plus competitive with the iPhone 4 or the 1GHz Android devices. We have 1GHz and 512MB of RAM right now, so other than a larger screen and a processor that is faster than the competition, what do you find wrong with the current hardware?
This is Precentral, and you should expect that people will be doing what they can to make their current devices competitive. With a 3.7-3.9 inch screen, the current WebOS 1.4.5 would make the iPhone seem like some primitive phone from three years ago.
As I said, the screen on the iPhone is the only thing that is significantly better than than a 1GHz Pre Plus. Oh, and support for HSPA 7.2, but I live in an area where 3G has issues(nearest tower is 2G only).
No, we have 800 MHz right now. 1 GHz on my phone actually seems to be slower, and most reports of 1.2 have been "well, I tried it for a while..."
I'll second that. 1 GHz on my Pre murdered the battery and negatively impacted performance. I went back to 800 less than a week later. Not sure if it's just some phones or what, but 1 GHz did not play well.
this must be a very early build, appreciate the video
:)
Why?? Why?? Why??
Why would you show the stacks, and not show how exactly it works when you have like 10 cards open, with different sets of stacks.
+1
Best question!
To save something for the next video, I'd assume.
I haven't used the Emulator before, but that looked significantly bigger than my Pre's screen.
Its called resizing the screen
and why do you say its an early build!!! what do you know jk
I wish this was a early version of quickoffice and they have improved it a lot after this.
I hope its a full version for tablet.
We are just waiting on you guys @palm what's up ? How can you leave us starving.... I have sold all my friends this phone, no lie about 10 - 15 people they are complaining about the hardware, we need some thing new and fast ....please :)
And here we go again, breaking NDA's.
At least he should've showcased more things, like autocorrect, but... "nodes functionality"... He doesn't even know what he's talking about.
Anyway, not much to see here, moving along...
Yeah, Chuq won't like this :\
Which is why they didn't release all of the WebOS 2.0 features with the Private SDK.
when he was looking at google docs it showed a user name....hope it's not traceable lol
when he was looking at google docs it showed a user name....hope it's not traceable lol
when he was looking at google docs it showed a user name....hope it's not traceable lol
Holy shit a quadruple post!?!?! NOOOOOOOOB
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Yea, his user name showed up as Carpcguy16. Googled it and didn't find much. Cept for a user zx1cruiser at the Mp3Car.com forums...
-Gu1l7y
wow..sorry guys..now I know not to leave comments with my phone lol....
Yep the pre blows so hard its practically incompatible with posting comments on its own damn website
This isn't the Pre's own website. That would be Palm.com.
Well, "Pre"Central can't even produce a "Pre" compatible website. It isn't the Pre's fault. It's P|C.
Hmmm. I'm still looking for more evidence that the next phone will be touchscreen only.
Looks great so far. I didn't care much for the "each page looks like a card" feature. I hope we can toggle it.
That is a personal preference thing and for many of us would not be an acceptable replacement. Many people want a physical keyboard, but would like to see a touchscreen keyboard as an option.
I HOPE that we will see multiple devices released at the same time, one with the vertical slider, one slab style with just a touchscreen, perhaps a horizontal slider for those who prefer that sort of thing, and then a tablet.
I am pretty sure it will be compatible. The majority of WebOS users use a Sprint Pre-
It would be idiotic to exclude the top group,even if they have old hardware.
Unless HPalm offers a free upgrade for all us loyal Sprint Pre users...wouldn't that be nice (nevermind it would never happen).
Any news about whether 2.0 will run on a Sprint Pre, or will it require at least a Pre Plus to perform decently?
Second this question! I will be even less of a happy camper if these enhancements don't apply to my trusty old Pre Minus, and there is no new hardware for use Sprinties to upgrade to!
gotta tell ya... if webos 2.0 allows paid apps in more countries (i.e. australia) i'll go back even without new hardware. i'll grab a pre plus and go to town.
hey, dkmrules... we're all wondering... what on earth are you on PreCentral for?
He's just trolling. Ignore him and maybe he'll go away.
I am not liking the, 'each page looks like a card feature' either. No point. Waste of screen space, and swipe... I have an idea. I think something like Google Chromes page where you see all the websites you have visited. Except in this case, it could be something really nice to implement the pages with apps. Where you have all of your different pages on one screen, be able to drag down to other pages, or swipe, where you can change the preferences, be it vertical or horizontal to select the pages, and select by category, click on one, and there you are. Also just type gets you to each page once in a page already.
Which also brings me to another suggestion a friend of mine brought up a short while ago. He mentioned an idea, where when we make our cards smaller to browse through another open card, we can have them in a tile formation, our screens could fit 9 of them... think of it as a launcher page screen, but with pages. And same for open cards, now combine that with stacks. and We are talking about many-many cards open at once.. RAM/cpu willing of course. It's an idea. And Palm/HP pssst... (home brewers/developers) are the right people for the job.
This is a great start, nice tease. palm, HP, webos-internals, and precentral.net, if you are reading this; agree :)
Everything else looks 'neato'!
I want a qwerty keyboard on my future Palm device. Leave it up to the consumer to decide whether or not they want to use a qwerty or a VKB. Don't treat our phones like a Pad, Folio, or every other follow the leader smart phone out there. Palm is unique. WebOS is BOSS!
I'm not sure if it was part of the pdk, but I don't think I liked the grey status bar at the bottom of the screen. To me it was too much. I like the clean look we have now. I guess a patch will be available.
and than you Maydae for the find!!!
The gray status bar is part of the emulator. It won't be on the phone.
the "new notification" looks awfull...i hope they really do something to the management of the back-up/cloud functionality.
Wow...um...no offence but I hope that's an alpha-alpha-alpha version...
Besides stacks, I saw no new features.
Maybe some minor redesigns [the just type exists but doesn't actually say it].
Sorry but I just don't see this rattling any competitors cages.
This video, coupled with HP basically saying it's still going to be a while before new hardware, really makes me think that- at least from a smartphone perspective- webos is done. [maybe success can be brought on by a tablet]
It's already gone. I watched it, wanted to again 5 minutes later because I missed the notifications part, but it's not there anymore. Oh well, I don't think it really gave us any new info.
it's not already gone,i just went to watch again and it is still there.
My guess is it will be online forever. I think this is another leek by Palm to keep up the interest.
Hey Palm, no one is more interested than me but you guys seriously need to talk about hardware and SOON.
+1 on Palm as the source of this leak.
So nobody cares about the bastard who broke NDA again!? Well goodbye to any more SDKs from Palm! & Precentral is at again trying to bring more hits to there site. Smh
I guess they gotta get as much news as they can. They really haven't had nothing to talk about since the plus versions and the web 2.0 announcements back in jan-feb. And of course the acquisition.
In this case, there's no reason to blame PreCentral. They are simply linking to an existing Youtube video.
And as far as the leak, there's no reason to believe the poster of the video was the one who leaked it or broke the NDA. He/she could have downloaded the SDK somewhere on the internet. Who knows where it might be posted by now.
wasn't really all that poppin if you ask me. But ya didn't ask me...
I concur!
My main concern with 2.0 is that HP/Palm keep the OS simple. The beauty of webOS in its current form is the elegance/ simplicity which lends to an unsurpassed intuitive experience. I hope they don't try to add too much "flare" which might have a negative impact on this strength. Anybody who has been working with the 2.0 SDK - what is your impression? Are we still maintaining an intuitive interface?
Nobody working with the 2.0 SDK can speak publicly about their experiences. They're under an NDA.
wink wink
Agree! While 15 flare is the minimum requirement, some kiss-butts would go around with 37 flare! No brown-nosers!
The video didn't seem to show anything new to me. Everything that was shown is a feature that we were already aware of. You could tell he was being cautious and it seemed to me as if he was trying not to show anything else. When the 2.0 SDK was released, Palm said it was a BETA version. I'm sure that the final version will have a lot more than what we know. I don't see Palm getting too upset over this video because like I said there doesn't seem to be any leaks given other than maybe the notification's change.
Eh, that looks alright. Can't support this person (or whoever did it) breaking the NDA.
In the upper left corner of the phone, it sometimes says Virtura vs launcher, etc. What does that mean? I found nothing from googling the term. Thanks
Sorry, but **yawn**, what's so revolutionary about what we've seen so far? I realize this was not an "official" release, but including what we've seen so far from the developer stuff and this type of video there is nothing of great interest.
They have said (basically) "this is not all the new features", but why in the heck would you not lead with the newest and best features? Instead they leak minor things and say "the best is yet to come". I guess this just goes to show they haven't learned a thing about marketing!!
the fact palm is trying NOT to leak webos 2.0 features is good marketing, ups the hype.
second of all, enough of this "im going android" talk - who cares!?? Me personally, I'll wait 12 months for a new webos phone, webos is too awesome and personally I don't need to have the latest and greatest whatever. Whatever works and boosts my productivity, quickoffice will fill that productivity gap I've been missing out on.
keep bringing on new versions of webos and I'll be happy, imagine all the javascript speed enhancements PLUS overclock, simply awesomeness.
a good feature they should add eventually is multitouch double-tap zooming. It would zoom ti whatever's in between two fingers.
palm should keep up the good work and not rush out a device because technology moves fast, we know it's no longer because they don't have the financial backing so: "life moves fast" I can wait for innovation and a solid device. Time to grow up, kiddies and stop bitching. The people that omplain are the people that get an xbox 360 even though super nintendo is way better. You just gotta be the coolest kid on the block don't ya?
Agree! How soon we forget how long we waited for the Treo replacement! I had, and STILL have, my trusty Treo 700p since 2006 ('cause the Pre sucks re: Memos!!). I kept that phone even through the "no antenna" form factor updates and the "shrunk it in the wash" Centro replacement.
So, why be so psychotically anxious about my 1 1/2 year old wonder phone? I'm not, but I would LOVE the next, bigger Pre to drop ASAP. Otherwise, I'm waiting.
Anybody else feel like STACKS looks sloppy being fanned out diagonally? I'd prefer it visible vertically (see half a card under the top one)
I have to say I feel this way too. I guess I like things rectilinear. (That new Boxee box for example just looks horrifically wrong to me...)
My uncle's a proctologist...want his number?
looks underwhelming....but I appreciate the leak.
Didn't do anything for me either...Palm better do a lot better than that.
like most of you, I was completely unimpressed. At least we learned that webos 2.0 is def coming to palm pre
I would like to order a crisp new hardware to go with that please. One with a 4.3 inch screen and a solid body that would make everyone drool.
As I see it, one of the main goals of 2.0 is to get rid of Java, which in turn would make it boot faster (something really needed).
We'll have a 1.0 version again in terms of bugs (introduced by switching from Java to C), but we'll have lots of new options and functionality. The main issue here is that the users won't see much of this functionality, as it's for developers, something for corporate users also, and the long awaited sound input (mic) APIs.
What users will see will be stacks, the named pages, the increased speed, the lowered battery consumption, the new mic based apps, and autocorrect (I hope it's not on by default, but just with the red underline). VPN thown in for corporate users.
Developers will see much more, just type interface, calendar and messaging APIs, direct sound and camera access, node.js for creating all kinds of services (maybe even a mojo messaging lookalike). Now, the posibilities will be endless... imagine a SIP phone service that could tap into your contacts, connect via VPN to your enterprise and log to your corporate telephony, or a camera app that lets you apply filters on the fly, or the much needed voice recognition app.... These kind of apps will be now possible, BUT it will still take some time.
The problem is that the beta is far from finished, and maybe not all the features we've seen on the leaks will be on the final version of webOS 2.0, that's the reason of the NDA, to keep things in a closed environment, evaluate what works, what doesn't, what can be fixed, and what won't be in time. The developers have the responsibility of keeping this information for themselves and work with that, no need to be showing off things, we'd better be using them for good, and then advertise the app using new technology, something that really matters.
I just remembered the article about Foursquare, claiming that they'll add some new cool features using webOS 2.0, that's great, and they aren't breaking NDA's.
Sorry for the small rant... and now that I re-read it, I didn't say anything new... bah :)
Yesterday, September 14 this youtuber 'webos1314'(or something) posted this video as a response to one of my webos videos. When I clicked on this video, it still had 0 views, I was the first. I'm not bragging, I just wanted to put this out there.
check out my youtube vids
JakeBworth
Nothing in this video particularly impresses me. what they are working on just isn't a big deal when it comes to my cell phone purchasing decisions.
for what it is worth - I just picked up my 6th Pre today... They tried to offer me the HTC Hero, blackberry tour or the Pixi but I am holding out hope for a better WebOS phone or at least an update! I love WebOS and even after 5 cheaply made Pre's I am NOT ready to give up on them... Everybody hang in there and we will not be sorry! BTW I am due for an upgrade so hurry it up if there are new devices coming any time soon!!!
I think in rehab they'd call you an enabler. Best of luck with numero seis and hope the new hardware shows up soon for all of us!
who is your carrier?? did they offer you those other phones because they didn't have any pre's in stock?
I am with Sprint (they have been AWESOME through every Pre, hardly any questions, the tech looks at it realizes that it is just as I say and orders me a new one)
they only offered me a different phone since I have been through so many, guess they think maybe I am getting sick of this. but hey with save/restore and preware each one only takes about 1 hour and my New Pre is the same as my previous Pre, of course without the problem... what other phone can do that???
who is your carrier?? did they offer you those other phones because they didn't have any pre's in stock?
bllllp!!
Please delete the video, i made it and now i could be in some legal trouble, well not really, but my dev membership is gone T_T
Sub me guys!
--webos1337
smh
I knew I should have downloaded this video yesterday.
Believe me you didn't miss much!
What is webOS 2.0 SDK features? How can it hit youtube. Waiting for more sharing! Many thanks!
wow account
Who cares about the video being gone, i got a feeling the new devices are coming sooner rather than later. I already know its gonna rock. Now lets get some hardware leakage..
I don't plan on getting a Wp7 phone but I think its going to kick some serious booty in that lower market share.
Here's a mirror of the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZZNyz8QlNI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I really don't like the page titles at the top of the app launcher screens. If they are going to be there, I hope they're optional and customizable/renamable.
I agree that the stacks look messy. So, unfortunately I'm not only unimpressed with the "improvements" in 2.0, I actually like them less than one I have now.
Still, I'm sticking with WebOS. I'm completely and hopelessly addicted at this point.
Main Link taken down. here is another :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZZNyz8QlNI