webOS 3.0.2 to bring HP MovieStore, Kindle, and more [Exclusive] 112
Got that HP TouchPad but finding yourself disappointed or frustrated by webOS 3.0? Well, that over-the-air update that HP’s been promising is soon to be made available. Thanks to an anonymous tipster, we now have an idea of what’s going to be included in the update, and some new apps that are en route. First up, those new apps: HP expects to release during the week of July 18th (that’s next week, if you weren’t sure) both the HP MovieStore and an HP music store of some variety. Due later in the month will be Amazon Kindle and Amazon MP3.
By the end of July the first OTA update for the TouchPad will be pushed, bumping it up to webOS 3.0.2. Included in the update will be new Calculator and Clock apps, improvements to the Email app in scrolling and image rendering, and better folder support and set as wallpaper for Photos & Videos. Autocorrect’s speed and accuracy is due for improvement (with the addition of the missing contractions), and audio and video quality is also slated to be improved (which includes the miserable quality of Skype).
Apart from that, there are some bug fixes slated in the form of reducing the sensitivity of screen rotation, app web pages opening to the App Catalog, and faster downloads for Pivot. The end of the month can’t get here soon enough.
Thanks anonymous!
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nice...
where the eff is netflix tho???
seriously even Nintendo DS has Netflix now.
Am I to understand Leo released the Touchpad without an Amazon MP3 app?
Who needs a Netflix app, when HP can take your money instead. It wont cost too much more than Netflix and you'll eliminate the middle man.
This is great news since I should have my TPad in time for the big update! Netflix is needed and i am excited to see what is one for a music store. I want HP to partner with Amazon, but with so many rumors that they are building their own tablet, I don't know.
Went to BestBuy today and they were really selling the Touchpad well. They need more of their staff to know about it, but it was nice to see 4 working demos with people playing on them and to top it off, the salesman had been to a training that taught him to sell WebOS.
Things are lining up and looking up!
Little by little. Baby steps.
Well I must say, this sounds like a pretty healthy update.
+1
It's good news that there are updates coming soon but they need to expand the VPN to support more VPNs and fix the Citrix app as well otherwise it would be kind of useless in enterprise environment.
+1!!!!
They NEED to have a real enterprise story. VPN, Citrix, Remote Desktop, better WiFi support, etc.
As well as SSL connection, and Local data encryption! Please!
For Exchange Active Sync
um....did I read that wrong? "Set as wallpaper for photos AND VIDEOS???"
The app Photos & Videos. You can't set videos as your wallpaper.
Oh....tell me somethin!!
The photos app is called "Photos and Videos". I doubt they're adding video wallpapers, as cool as that would be.
our would be cool if you paused the video and then choose set as video and it takes a screen shot of the paused screen and make it the wall paper
thats a great idea. we will get on that for you. expect to see this implemented in OTA within 4 months.
You can take screenshots on the Touchpad. Which is exactly the feature you just described.
Even better... when watching a video, if you swipe to card view the video will continue playing in a PIP window while you flick through open cards....um HP, can we get that one as well!!?? Say what? In the coming months? Oh, ok. That's fine.
yes, have video wallpapers. our touchpad can handle that trust us. hardware is fast. throw anything at it, it can run it.
Will these just be placeholder apps or do they plan on having them actually work... if they load.
always and forever placeholder app. we are the metaphorical hot girl that you see everywhere but never really get a chance to talk to.
Jeez you and GlennBeck are perfect for one another. Go commiserate elsewhere.
Totally agree! Haven't seen msechea around for a while, he must have gotten out on bail... maybe GlennBeck got him out.
Prison makes you kind of cranky... ;-)
Bad analogy. Everyone wants the hot girl. Nobody wants WebOS.
Because you make perfect sense.
now redirecting ninjasinc -> tipb.com
it's called and IOU, if the Imf accepts them then so can you...and you call yourself Glenn Beck?
I have some HP IOU's.
In six months, nobody will be using IOUs.
NICE!
Good Stuff.
I assume you are talking about the video quality with Skype because the audio quality in my experience has been superb.
It's probably a fix for the way they are encoding the video because the video coming from the other side is actually pretty good.
The awesome thing is that I get to use the Skype on 3G by hotspoting my Pre and using the 3G on it.
My Skype video has been really high quality.
However, a fix to the encoding wouldn't hurt.
This article sounds like Derek took his cranky pills this morning.
The only application that has been frustrating to me in any serious way has been the web browser. I hope that will be included in the update.
Or a 3rd party will be releasing a browser.
Uh... no? These are the things included in 3.0.2, not what I want in 3.0.2 (though much of this I do want).
Don't forget, Derek, calling it like you see it is "negative" or "cranky" around here.
Let's be honest...the Touchpad is great as is. Why update it ever?
where does one purchase the aforementioned "cranky pills"? I'm not clear as to whether they induced a sustained state of cranky-ocity or if the medication somehow ameliorates one's level of cranky-tudeness. I think I can enter that lowered state via the simple imbibition of ice-chilled sweet and sour mix combined with agave-derived ethanols.
I'd still be cranky if I'd had to write the Touchpad review in 'Memos'.
Hilarious.
now we just neeed hp store in USA so can go buy a webos product and stop being served haterage
not a chance. no money, no honey. apple owns the retail store. HP does not have the money for brick and mortar. we do have a new movie store app though, check it out.
They have HP Stores, worldwide. Except in US.
But please be reminded that HP Shopping online is bigger than Apple's iStore.
+1
I just hope the Movie Store comes to Canada!!! We got screwed over on the Amazon store on the Pre-
This would seem to contradict some of the HP interviews that said Moviestore and Kindle would be active beginning the 17th. Of course, an OS bump really has nothing to do with app offerings other than enabling functionality, so its quite possible that those apps will be offered via the app store on the 17th, with the OS bump happening at another time. In any event, one rumor is as good as another I guess. Not too long ago it was blogged that the AT&T Touchpad would be of the 64GB variety, when released in August. That was later changed back to the 32GB variety, but with the bump in processor speed of 1/5GHZ intact. I try not to get to wrapped up in these forum or blog rumors, particularly when they are from someone anonymous. Nevertheless, I'm thankful to always hear possible things coming in the pipeline.
The most glaring possible omission in this blog post is that absence of a fix for the occasional lag. Perhaps that is one of the bug fixes.
I think they mentioned the OS isn't fully optimized to utilize the video processor which is why we get the lags. The optimization is usually the last thing on the to do list. They need to get the bugs fixed first before they do any optimization.
and we were promised this optimisation on the Pre, and the Pre+, and the Pre2... I'm getting fed up with having cool graphics hardware which the OS doesn't use...
According to the article, the Kindle app is NOT included in the 3.0.2 update. Its coming "later".
None of the downloaded apps will be updated with the OTA WebOS 3.0.2 update. So the only apps you get are the "burned in" apps for the OS. Since Kindle and HP Video was a download app, it would be distributed via updates from the catalog.
These will not be synchronized, but I don't know if any of the app updates have a dependency on the WebOS 3.0.2 landing.
They probably require certain APIs that are coming with 3.0.2 which is why we get the placeholders for now.
Actually I think the apps just weren't ready and they are throwing it all together for this update to build a little good press.
So, pretty much, the Pre2 is the only WebOS product to ever be remotely regarded as "completed". And that's the one product that never really "launched". Amazing.
yes, later. sorry, we are working very hard to meet deadlines. this whole business thing is new to us, so we are really hustling over here. new movie store coming, stay tuned.
Some things i need worked on
1. I have yet to get my apps to update successfully, everytime i reboot, package manager says 34 updates available in the notifications bar, but when i launch to download them, i get an error at the software mananager page and cant update the new versions
2. make the webOS keyboard better, it can minimize an app, but not full screen it, it has not control on the cards. Give me ability to browse/navigate the cards. I dont want to touch the screen ever again unless i need to.
3. Make initial setup easier, when i synched my touchpad up the first time, it prompted me to synch the veer, but really for some reason its prompting you to wipe/erase your veer data, why would it give this as an option?
4. Make the app catalog easier to see if its a Touchpad app or not, give some kind of criteria to search for fullscreen touchpad apps only
5. MAKE A REMOTE APP - I know this is more of a request than a bug, but please make a way to control the touchpad from the phone, i love that i can do calls and soon do all my sms from the device, but how about controlling the volume, maybe a little mp3 control. that would be awesome.
6. Get RDP or some kind of VNC going, we need this desperately, cant even be taken seriously until this happens. We had Splashtop on board but they never pushed another update, their software said "Palm pre, PRE 2, VEER" before the veer came out, never supported it. Then it said touchpad, now that touchpads out, WHERE ARE YOU SPLASHTOP!!!
and this is only the one solution we had, thast sad. we should have like 5 diff RDP/VNC clients to choose from.
7. Give the ability to change orientation without moving the device - it sucks when its docked on the touchstone, and i launch youtube only to have to rotate it to the right side. Wish i could just flip the screen real quick somehow.
I'm betting our first VNC will be WebOS Internals running a VNC client via X11.
There are some VNCs available but no RDP. I tried using Citrix for RDP and opening applications. It only worked on the LAN side and it gave missing library error from outside of the network.
The problem with RDP is that it is licensed under GPL on Linux so whoever builds an app can't sell it so no one really wants to build an app for it. All we can hope for is either HP building an RDP app or someone decides to go based on donations.
The problem with RDP is that it is licensed under GPL on Linux so whoever builds an app can't sell it so no one really wants to build an app for it.
Balderdash. You can sell anything you want to that is under GPL. You just have to provide the source code with it. It even states within the GPL, "You may charge any price or no price for each copy that you convey, and you may offer support or warranty protection for a fee." (Emphasis added.) This is from GPLv3; a similar provision exists in GPLv2.
The RDP implementation that is available on most Linux distros is a reverse-engineered version, part of why it lags behind Microsoft's RDP capabilities. But it's perfectly legal to sell it.
Please read the GPL before commenting on it in the future.
Thanks for the info. I only posted what some of the developers told me regarding the RDP on webOS. If you have a link for it I can send them and hopefully they will be enticed to build the apps.
Yes but if you don't retain copyright and have to distribute source then any idiot with the SDK can build and redistribute it for a fee, thus making your efforts pointless.
We just have to hope that HP would live up to their claims for entering enterprise market and build a good RDP app on their own. This is a much needed app for enterprise.
Can't claim the device is built for enterprise use if it can't even login to a server or desktop session.
@semprance Do you actually have any idea what you're talking about?
You don't just build an app with RDP and try to sell some vanilla implementation - you build an app on the GPL'd stuff and add value through features unique to your app, thus being able to charge for something that folks will be willing to buy.
I doubt any idiot could build anything..
RDP is a proprietary protocol developed by Microsoft, it is most certainly *not* licensed under GPL.
There are some Linux RDP clients that are licensed under GPL, but the protocol itself is not GPL.
Why buy a touchscreen device if you never want to touch the screen?
No mention of CSS hardware acceleration applied to OS transitions and built-in apps to address the much publicized lagging issue?
no, movie store is much more important. trust us, we have been working on this movie store for the past nine months, its our baby. hardware acceleration is on the backburner, maybe 2013 for that. thanks for the support.
so hp movies and music next week and 3.0.2 (with kindle) a week later, or is kindle coming after the 3.0.2?
thats too soon
You are a terrible informant...why anyone would take you serious? Not too sure lolz
Ok, I don't mean to be the Downer Debbie here but where is the UI GPU rendering? Wasn't this supposed to be the BIG deal with this first update? At least they will fix the rotation problem. Aside from that, I'm hoping the bug list fixes named here are only a tidbit of what will actually be included. I couldn't care less about Skype, "Folder support" (what does this mean exactly??), or setting my background from the picture app. I haven't had a problem with "Email rendering" and the auto correct isn't THAT big of a deal to me. What about the random reboots? The sudden loss or distortion of sound? Background web pages not loading until maximized? The random stuttering of the UI? I was really looking forward to the UI being moved over to the GPU. I guess this will have to wait for another OTA update in "the coming months"
The pre didn't ship with the GPU integrated into the UI either and promised it in the first update. No, not the first first update, the first major update. How long did that take again?
I smell something familiar.
What about an update to the Pre2 so that it can support SMS with the touchpad?... That is a feature they are showing off that doesn't work yet on any the devices that are available.
pre 2 is a legacy device, they dont care about it anymore.
Good thing the Pre 3 is coming then.
People with *updated* Pre 2's are reporting that SMS does work between Pre 2 and TouchPad. The requirement is you have to be running WebOS 2.x (Or maybe 2.1.x, I don't remember exactly) but it must be a recent WebOS version.
When is later for the Kindle app???
in the coming days
*months
Your auto-correct must be broke :D
No Document editing?
no not right now, we are busy giving you a movie store with 3 movies in it. take your time on those.
the only thing i want to hear is graphics ui acceleration. if it has awesome hardware, USE IT.
priorities are pretty important, i hope HP finds that out. i could care less about a moviestore, give me a SMOOTH EXPERIENCE. take the lag out. do it. just take it out. work on that and nothing else. take it out. youre a big company, just do it. you've been working on this for three months, according to jon. do it.
Couldn't agree more. Creating a movie store is so much less important than getting rid of lag AND random reboots and random freezes.
A statement I agree with!
Hopefully it'll actually be released unlike Verizon Pre 2's non-existent 2.1.0
When asked if the OTA update would be available for the 17th "official launch" DeWitt said "Some elements will be available, improvements to our movie store, the Kindle app… but the OTA is planned for the end of the month."
So if the rumor about the Kindle app not coming for another 2 weeks is true it seems that DeWitt is already following the lying-to-your-face road that Ruby drives on. I already don't like him.
"Improvements to the movie store..."
You mean, like,...EXISTENCE, Mr. DeWitt?
If they take the big fruit approach and say nothing, everyone b*****s that they want info! If they give info and its not ready in time, then they're liars. How do they win? I want my TP updated too, but i'd rather have it done right than, meeting a deadline and sucking.
I would rather they said nothing if they don't actually know what they are talking about or if all they are going to do is lie. That's not asking too much.
Agreed! I've said in a coupla posts that I would prefer they just shut up and release stuff when its actually ready. There are several tardy phones out there right now, (iphone, gsII, bionic), and those guys don't get themselves into trouble by just shutting up.
Will someone clarify one thing for me? Will all of these updates be ready for the second launch on the 17th, or will we have to wait for the "for really real" launch at the end of the month?
I sincerely hope this fixes the disappearing sounds bug. It's driving me nuts!
Thank god that's not just mine! That drives me nuts!
Good to hear the updates are on track. I'm enjoying the TouchPad as-is but further improvements are definitely welcome - especially the Kindle app.
An update for printers to support non-HP printers would be nice eventually. Not all of us with nice network capable printers buy them from HP.
But the HP eprinters *are* nice.
Just sayin.
Yes, I have an HP printer and it is remarkable how the TP auto detects the printer and just prints. No drivers, no adjustment of firewall settings. It just works. That's how seamless everything else has to be on the TP.
Good point - that's probably a good opportunity for a 3rd party developer.
Given where webOS right now in regards to sales, you probably won't see other printer vendors providing a webOS printing solution in the short run and I doubt HP will prioritize supporting competing printers.
Really wish Amazon would finally release a native Audible app. Using Classic on my Pre+ is painful.
Perhaps not an astute question, but is it better to wait until the recently annouced updates are done and then buy the TouchPad or go ahead and buy it now and be at the mercy of the timing for the OTA's?
Wait for touchpad 2 - it will come with everything promised on the original. Or you could decide to buy the current iteration, then wait for TP3, which will never arrive...
If I had to re-live my experience with a pre-, I would have taken an android phone for the first year, then taken the pre the second... I'd wait a year and see where it goes, and whether they fully-bake the OS in that amount of time. If history repeats, then at worst the OS will be as-promised on launch day, and not much better. Apps will be the big question mark.
Depends how long you can wait. At this point, look again at the end of the month and buy after kindle and moviestore are up, and more buys and lag are fixed. (If they are important to you) Prices are down $30-50 now (staples) and probably will drop further.
Waiting for TP 2 will be at least 6 months-1 year depending on the sales of TP 1.
Awesome! Sounds like it addresses all of the issues (albeit, minor) that I had with the device. Once Kindle and the Movie Store come, I'll be in heaven.
Also, this is so exciting to have an update come quick. Carrier testing for webOS phones has been horrible in slowing down the update process. Should be fun to see frequent updates from HP.
Good stuff about to open my new touchpad right now. Heck yeah. I hope I wont be disappointed.
Good stuff about to open my new touchpad right now. Heck yeah. I hope I wont be disappointed.
Great news, though this was expected. Now I can stop checking for system updates 5 times a day until Monday.
I think a lot of issues mentioned here are exaggerated. I don't have a lot of issues with my Touchpad.
BTW, no problems with the audio quality on my Touchpad. It sounds great. I can turn the volume all the way up with no distortion...unheard of on a mobile device or many other non-professional devices. Even through my Sony Stereo Bluetooth headset with the volume all the way up, no distortion.
I guess I'm not that disappointed with 3.0. Actually, several things I was getting pretty sick of with previous versions (Mail, Music player) were solved in such a way that they became my favorite apps to use on any platform.
My attitude is more like "Neat, thanks for the new stuff!"
Another missing core app is Tasks which has been available on all previous Palm devices.
how about a cursor you can drag with your finger to an easily designated character spot??
How about Skype that works half as good as face time?
How about an app store that gets some apps, or atleast when there is one I want to check out more I can zoom on a screen shot?
A clock app? YAY! I can finally use my TouchPad as my alarm clock! My phone and iPod touch are never loud enough xD
Agree with the earlier poster about not being able to move right and left through card, and press enter on the keyboard (external) to navigate. Huge oversight.
Also, get magnifying glass or whatever in there for text selection, trying to get the cursor placed is a nightmare - or add an "orange" button to do it original webOS style. Something other than poking at the screen and hoping it jumps to the right spot.
Yes the text editting is problematic. iOS's magnifier glass is the most elegant. Metatap cut/paste or at least drop down edit would be helpful. It was trial and error to figure out how to cut and paste. (not well documenteded in help files)
Good news - this is how the TP should have launched. HP could easily have delayed the 'soft' launch by a month and garnered better reviews for the TP with webOS 3.0.2.
The delay in the Kindle app is unreal - a tablet is a device for reading stuff, eh?! Kindle should have been there right from the start...
While this is good news, Kindle and Citrix client should have been INCLUDED with the launch. The Touchpad was touted as a business device but the Citrix client is pretty much just in alpha and the Kindle app doesn't exist past the placeholder.
This is turning out to be EXACTLY like the original Pre launch - anyone remember the Microsoft Exchange PIN fiasco (in case anyone's forgotten - the Pre couldn't handle Exchange sync if it required a PIN, which many servers did)?
To expand on the pretty girl analogy, it seems like WebOS is the pretty girl and we geeks keep falling for her - no matter how often she breaks our hearts (she's not into us, you know).
so no info on Quick Office editing then HP...?
in case no one noticed it is now July 31 and still nothing.