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webOS on the desktop: in a window, lacking integration and PDK? 25

by Derek Kessler Fri, 25 Mar 2011 8:19 pm EDT

You may have seen that HP SVP Jon Rubinstein was on The Engadget Show, chatting up all things webOS. After talking about the Veer, Pre 3, and the TouchPad, and dropping that iTunes sync will somehow make its way back to webOS, Rubinstein and host Joshua Topolsky turned towards webOS on the PC. It’s something that we’ve been wondering about, and Rubinstein stepped forward to clarify plenty of stuff for us.

First up, webOS will run “in a window” on the computer, like it’s another app (think Parallels from the Mac). So we’re looking at webOS in a window, which you’ve likely figured is a long way from replacing Windows. In fact, Rubinstein straight-up said that “The objective here is not to replace Windows.”

Additionally, even though all of your Synergy services will come integrated in this webOS in a window... thing, Rubinstein’s evasiveness (he’s really good at not answering questions and sticking to the company line) leads us to believe that there won’t be much, if any, integration with Windows itself. That means that your dreams of Synergy integration with the Windows counterparts for the address book and calendar aren’t going to happen. Of course, the issue there could be that Windows 7 doesn’t come with a calendar app out of the box (we still can’t wrap our heads around that).

Lastly, our suspicion of this being a web tech-based system is looking to be correct. Running Enyo webOS apps happens right now in HTML5 browsers, and webOS itself is based pretty heavily on web tech. What this does mean, at least right now, is that PDK apps (like most of the popular games) may not be available in webOS on the desktop. Granted, we’re drawing this from Rubinstein’s “We're going to have more data on that later,” which says to us that they’re working on it and would love to have it, but can’t guarantee that it will be ready at launch (you know, whenever that is). But don't expect it on Macs anytime soon, HP's focusing on Windows.

This is all talking about the first implementation of webOS on the desktop. There are technical limitations to overcome before our dreams of better integration and advanced apps can come true. With HP’s resources at play here, it’s a possibility, we just wouldn’t expect it until later.

25 Comments

Bring that window to my Mac please and thank you!

It is absolutely mind blowing how horrific HP/Palm is marketing Web OS. When you think it couldn't get any worse it actually does.

Rubenstein pretty much said that Web OS on the computer is going to be worthless, and that nobody is going to use it. Why would you in the state he says its going to be in?

Web OS IS BEING HANDLED LIKE a Corvette in a school zone. It could do so much and be so much better, but these morons are holding it back with their horrific marketing.

In 30 years I have never seen such a fantastic product marketed so poorly.

HP could do something VERY smart here, if they just think about it in a wider way...

Why not first make it possible to open webOS as an appOS in a window and then in addition make it possible to start with webOS without activating Windows????

Then can you use webOS any way you like ;-)

It should be possible to have it both ways in the same PC even if you naturally not can run it both ways at the same time!

And when you start with webOS should you naturally be able to either "Open Windows, close webOS" or "Open Windows with webOS" which then show webOS in a window ;-)

What I've been saying since the whole "webOS on PC" was first announced. Cannot see it acting in cohabitation with windows very effectively. They are single handedly going to turn webOS into BLOATWARE.

It needs to be on MOBILE DEVICES!!!!! That is what it was designed for. NOT PC's, not printers (what a waste) and certainly not toasters......

HP fail.

That's wrong Ziploc99

If you can start your PC with webOS will it give you many important advantages...

It offer especially 4 main unique advantage over Windows * webOS should start much quicker * most programs start also qicker * you will come back where you left in almost every program and * you don't have to save any input before you quit programs ;-)

And you can do almost everything you normally have to do with Windows, faster and more easy with webOS plus probably be able to sync with your smartphone ;-)

Maybe I'm not reading the above article very well. But it looks like WebOS "will run in a window." That does not sound like dual boot webOS & Windows to me but rather WebOS on top of Windows envrionment, ala virtualbox

The advantages that you point out would then be moot. I would be suprised if Joe Consumer wants to run WebOS in a virtual machine for said "advantages." Too much work for little gain.

What a waste of time...lots of words, but nothing useful being said...AGAIN.

HP/Palm couldn't possibly handle these product launches any worse than they have. Total incompetence.

Yes that would be very interesting and I would also love webOS on top of my Mac.

I can see every application for interfacing moving in this direction...quick access to email, calendar, and shared resources. WebOS would be perfect and I'd love to have Synergy making interfacing from one device to another quick and easy. Sorli...

Not going to happen. You don't buy a proprietary OS and make it compatible with everyone else's software just to be a "go between" for other OS's. One of the reasons Apple is so successful is THEIR ecosystem. They certainly do not want someone else making their products "better" (or more connected) before they do. Big companies will make any and all changes to connectedness that webOS could offer (assuming if HP could even get it to that point, big if).

What a fail interview! Nothing new. Only dates are real soon on the "who wants it Veer" and Summer for the Pre 3.... What was the point of showing up John?

So, you were hoping for the Roger McNamee approach? "The Pre 3 will be out in days . . . and it will save the world!!" Heaven forbid Rubinstein should tell the available truth and not raise false hopes. And since when is the word "fail" an adjective? Those who care about language are still dealing with the masses now using it as a noun.

so, if it runs in a window, that means I can pump it through Wine and actually use it on my computers?

I wasn't pushing for perfect English in my reply. I am sure everyone who read that line knew what I meant. My point is, why did he bother doing the interview with no real news. Sure, I understand he has to be tight lipped, that's fine. I guess i was hoping for a ray of light regarding at least carriers. And what's with the save the world stuff? You need a hobby!
Have a nice day.

Hmm. WebOS is available in a window already. I have it through VirtualBox on my Linux system. All HP really needs to do is add drivers to accomodate changing the screen space on the fly (virtualbox does this themselves for most operating systems it makes VMs for), and voila, windowed WebOS, just like Jon is talking about. If windowed WebOS is only available for Windows, it's a demonstration of sheer laziness, or maybe there's some deal they have with Microsoft.

PDK support - obvious (not to be supported)

PDK applications are native binaries, the current mobile devices running webos use an ARM CPU. desktop computers typically use an Intel (x86) CPU. so, it is obvious that the desktop versions wont support PDK applications - at least without an integration point for an ARM emulation core..

whats up with the spam

Jon had three interview with Engadget (that I can remember so far), and all of them are exactly the same.
No details. No prices. No release dates.
So, yes, what's the point of being interviewd if you can't say anything useful?
Words about the application store being locked up? other countries getting the veer or pre3? when?
just pointless.
I still don't understand what other companies have more than hp. I mean. ok they are quicker. but why?
At my eyes Hp is a bunch of moron. they aren't thinking beyond. they aren't thinking at all!

In the hear and now, webOS is not at the stage to be a desktop OS but should be later on. Kudos to HPalm not dividing core resources into that when they still have work to do with smartphones and tablets.

There is absolutely NO commercial sense in turning WebOS into a full fledged desktop OS.

However, what I have been expecting them to do is turn it into a framework that would eventually allow WebOS apps to run directly on the desktop. This is the only way that their longterm plans would make sense.

The general consumer is not going to run WebOS as their primary OS and they're not going to run a bunch of apps in a single window, either.

If you can start your PC with webOS will it give you many important advantages...

It offer especially 4 main unique advantage over Windows * webOS should start much quicker * most programs start also qicker * you will come back where you left in almost every program and * you don't have to save any input before you quit programs ;-)

And you can do almost everything you normally have to do with Windows, faster and more easy with webOS plus probably be able to sync with your smartphone ;-)

They haven't offered a fully functional phone yet. They have not sold a single tablet. And they're already committing to PC usage in 2012.

The market is going to eat HP alive. No focal point They're nobody in the phone market. IBM (a software maker) just overtook them in the server market. Apple has beat them out in the mobile commuting market where not even their laptop sales can save them now. It's starting to feel like buying Palm might end up being blamed for their downfall.

"webOS on the desktop"

Yeah, on a Windows desktop, in a window. Who thought anything else? Where's the disappointment in that? Where's the usefulness in running webOS as your dedicated OS? I'll answer that last one for you. Today, none, none at all.

If you can start your PC with webOS will it give you many important advantages...

It offer especially 4 main unique advantage over Windows * webOS should start much quicker * most programs start also qicker * you will come back where you left in almost every program and * you don't have to save any input before you quit programs ;-)

And you can do almost everything you normally have to do with Windows, faster and more easy with webOS plus probably be able to sync with your smartphone ;-)

But you should naturally be able to open Windows both without and with webOS from the "start up" webOS

seriously, vantechmag, you have a hiccup or something? Is posting a nonsense just once not enough?

Your "4 main unique advantages"
"WebOS should start much quicker" - are you taking a piss? Show me other OS, mobile or not, that takes longer than WebOS to boot? Unless you are trying to tell HPalm, that they SHOULD work on WebOS to make it start much quicker?

"most programs start also quicker" - like, what, post-it notes??? Mine start pretty quick on my PC, too (instant). Like, um, non-existing document editing tools?

"you will come back where you left in almost every program" Like, um, a browser? You mean on a PC, with it's session history, reopening tabs, etc? And how it is an operating system's feature, and not the application's?

"you don't have to save any input before you quit programs". Cool, programs close & save without asking you to do so - thank you, I'll have my Save/Discard/Cancel confirmation dialog, thanks. That it is not there on mobile OS, which is mainly designed to consume content, and not to create it, and optimized for different kind of experience doesn't mean it is best solution ever.

Here's what I'm getting from all this, and I may be missing something...

Isn't this essentially the return of the PalmDesktop that I (and quite a few others) have been lamenting the loss of for 2 years or more now?

I don't see how anyone can be upset about this. Is it going to be a direct port for everything? Probably not since most PC's don't support multi-touch, but they do have larger screens, and why would a developer want you to be able to play their $3 game on a full-blown PC? They would want to sell you the $30-$50 "full version."

I'm excited that HP is bringing Palm back in this direction and I'll wait til the product(s) are released and I have hands-on time with them before I start complaining.