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by Dieter Bohn Mon, 08 Feb 2010 1:27 pm EST

It's time to round up what my colleagues at SPE had to say about webOS for the Smartphone Round Robin. After the break, their take, my take on their take, and then your take (in the form of comments, naturally). Later this week: we'll announce the Round Robin winners!

 

Phil Nickinson, WMExperts

Phil had webOS first and comparing it to Windows Mobile, he sees the softer side of the platform:

Palm has been known as the kinder, gentler platform, and that remains true today. Your family can use it. Your friends can use it. Windows Mobile 6.5 is less utilitarian than its predecessor, and we're looking at it to become even more friendly with Windows Mobile 7 in 2010. That could well give Palm a run for its money in the consumer space. As for Palm in 2010? It has to get more hands on its phones. And while the Pre is only six months old, attention spans are short in the mobile world. As Palm's meager empire expands once more, it's going to need new hardware to go with it. Certainly there's already something in the works.

Excellent points, all. It will be very interesting to see if Microsoft continues in the enterprise space where webOS isn't competing much yet or if they'll try to make a bigger play into the "fat middle" of the consumer space were webOS lives. Phil's also exactly right: the biggest issue facing the platform right now is simply that Palm needs to sell more webOS phones. While I won't argue that webOS is 'feature complete' by any stretch, it definitely has enough functionality now to be a serious contender (and webOS 1.4 will further solidify that claim), but until Palm can get enough devices out there to gain the notice of the 'big boys' in mobile app development, it's going to be rough going.

Casey Chan, Android Central

Casey makes an apt comparison:

To make comparisons, the Pre is in a similar position to the T-Mobile G1 last year. Obviously, the Pre is a much more polished device compared to a T-Mobile G1, but it still is only available on only one US carrier, still limited by some hardware oddities, and still needs improvement in battery life and speed--just like the G1. The T-Mobile G1 and Palm Pre both have some great ideas in their respective platforms and cool touches in their respective hardware but you knew/know better devices were/are coming. So what will come next for Palm? I'm actually excited to find out.

I'm going to go ahead and say that the Pre was better out of the gate than the G1 was. Overall it's actually interesting to watch both Android and webOS rapidly develop. Palm has an advantage in that they have fewer types of hardware out there and so can keep the platform relatively uniform, whereas Android has different versions of the OS on different phones ...all with different upgrade paths and possibilities. However, Android also has the power (and cash!) of Google behind it as well as the ability to get mass-marketing that Palm just can't afford.

Casey also mirror's Phil's point: people are starting to look to the future when it comes to webOS hardware. The Pre Plus and Pixi Plus were both nice iterations, but only iterations. As devices like the Nexus One, HTC Legend and others really step up the specs and performance for Android, the Pre is starting to look a little pedestrian by comparison. The riverstone feel of the Pre is nice, but it will soon be high time to bring something a bit more elegant to the table.

Kevin Michaluk, CrackBerry.com

Kevin finds webOS to have the right features, but not the right performance:

I think a BlackBerry user who picks up one of the new Palm devices will be impressed with the things mentioned at the start of the article -- the intuitive multi-tasking and the notifications -- and will likely be pleased with the experience - the web browser is solid, the app situation is improving (I played some of the 3D games on the PrePlus and experience was pretty darn good) and things like synergy are user-ish friendly. What's missing is the rock. Despite our BlackBerry gripes about things like memory leaks, for the most part a BlackBerry is fast and solid. It's the ultimate communication tool and that reliable performance is what makes it a device you can easily integrate into your life and depend on. The Palm products to me don't seem steadfast enough yet to get to that place of utter dependance. To me it feels like you use your Palm Pre or Pixi, like a gadget, vs. how so many of us simply can't live without our BlackBerrys (if you forget it at home, you always turn around to pick it up. Am I right?!). Oh yeah, and there's no BBM on Palm webOS. Lol.

Well, I think a few PreCentral members might take issue with the idea that the Pre is a gadget but doesn't feel like an essential part of their lives. Whether or not webOS will ever feel as irreplaceable to its users as BlackBerrys do their users is probably just as much as function of how long BlackBerry has been around as anything else. As far as stability is concerned, I actually find webOS to be quite solid, although I will admit that we really (really!) could use some more speed.

...and yes, I still think that BlackBerry Messenger is evil. Nyeah.

Matthew Miller, Nokia Experts

Matthew has actually had the most experience with webOS out of the group (myself excluded), so what he says is worth paying attention to:

Palm webOS devices are very attractive in the mobile space today and my long affair with Palm is a major factor that keeps me thinking about one of their devices. I am still not completely sold out on the idea of Palm gaining any huge market share in the mobile space though and still think they have a lot to prove in 2010.

The feeling that Palm has to "prove" themselves is pretty common out there and, well, it's still true. Yes, webOS is probably the most innovative mobile interface we've seen since at least the introduction of the iPhone and yes, Palm has rapidly added new features and functionality. What they haven't don't yet is sell millions of phones. 2009's introduction and release of webOS was exactly what Palm needed to do in 2009. Gaining market share is what they need to do in 2010 and it's going to take as much effort to do that as they had to put into the original release. The competition is fierce and Palm can't rest on their laurels.

Rene Ritchie, TiPb

Rene nicely sums up the sentiment out there for Palm:

It’s not all rosy for Palm, webOS, the Palm Pre, Palm Pixi, and their mobile strategy going forward. Sprint exclusivity might have guaranteed Palm some money but it doesn’t seem to have given them the sales they needed. They’re hitting Verizon now, and AT&T soon, but if they’d gone on Verizon sooner (before the Droid) they could have had a much bigger impact. Unlike Apple, Google, or Microsoft, they don’t have billions in the bank or other businesses to prop them up. Unlike RIM or Nokia, they don’t have entrenched business or international market share to ride. It’s going to be an uphill battle for Palm. That they’ve accomplished and innovated so much in just a year is an outstanding accomplishment, however, and means I’ll be cheering as they battle up that hill.

Hindsight is 20/20 and hindsight seems to tell us that Palm performed what's probably the most amazing turnaround in the mobile space, ever. However right after they turned around and got pointed in the right direction, they found the new environment to be radically more competitive than it has ever been before. Like everybody else I've spoken to, though, Rene seems to be rooting for Palm to stay in the game. Everybody loves an underdog.

12 Comments

Indeed, Palm is still an underdog, but I am rooting for the team all the way. I was excited about webOS since the idea was introduced last January. My contract time came up last Fall and I spent weeks playing with Blackberrys, Moments, Heros and the Pre. The Pre won my affection for its ease of use, capabilities and bright future on the horizon (Flash support, anyone?) I have been ecstatic about my phone for the last few months and I will continue to try to get my friends to buy one for themselves. I can't wait to see what's next, though. What I really really want is a candybar, keyboardless, larger screen phone with more ram, a faster processor, more rom and perhaps, if they can swing it, microSD memory as well. I'll just have to wait and see, I guess, but chances are I'll take whatever they give me.

First

Nice take on everything. Especially the Blackberry portion where the frustration of innovation led me to Palm.

Reading all of these reviews makes me realize that Palm still has a good amount of room for improvements in webOS 2.0. Anyone else hoping for a June release of hte OS and Pre 2?

Tim

Yes, the big question is definitely 'what's next'? I also think that they missed an opportunity that the iPhone offers - multiple memory sizes. Or, of course, there's the argument about using a microSD slot instead, but whatever.

I also agree with Rene's point about the exclusivity thing... why bother with that? It's rather stifling to their potential market opportunity... particularly when they need market penetration.

Being a day-one purchaser of the Palm Pre has been an exciting experience. I was drawn to it from the day it was announced at CES because of synergy and multitasking. Somehow, seeing the rebirth of Palm along the way, and being a part of P|C has mad eme feel like something bigger, which makes it all the more exciting.

I think about muy pre, and I'm blown away at how much more useful it is to me than any other phone that was available at the time, and how much potential it has for the future. However, I am also horribly disappointed that there is still no real document/spreadsheet editing capability. Hopefully that will be remedied soon.

This editorial did an amazing job @ pointing out the GOODS to the NOT SO GOODS of Palm's devices and webOS compared to others in the market. I'm on Palm's team even though they're the underdog going against the other giants backed by their big wallets. Can't wait for what is to come...

What might be interesting to do is to revisit the Round Robin-ers, and have THEM revisit the Pre, after 1.4 (or even 1.5) and Flash drop; the one most impressive thing versus these other phones is Palm's capability of and commitment to a continually-updated OS.

(My wife's G1, for instance, is still waiting on an Android update which seems sometimes like it may never come.)

I don't want it to seem as if I'm blindly worshipping all that is Palm, but you have to admit that from 1.1 to 1.3.5.1, it's almost like we've gotten new phones--and when Flash and 1.4 come, that'll be even more the case.

I know everyone's down on Palm's decision to go with Sprint but I bet in a few years we'll find out that Sprint was the only carrier willing to give the Pre any major promoting dollars and/or favorable pricing for the exclusive.

Everyone seems to forget that Sprint had thirty foot tall Palm Pres built into the stage at the Sprint-Nextel Cup events and the Palm Pre was, and still is, all over sprint advertising. Even the Radio Shack ads for Sprint service have the Palm Pre. Yeah, the advertising wasn't the best for showcasing the phone but it was there and on the major networks.

Do you think Verizon would have have bought a trademarked word from Lucas for a Palm phone? After Palm's last totally original product never got to market and the rest of their product line were either Centros or Windows Mobile devices?

Palm had burned through a lot of cash and developer good will with the Foleo fiasco. In hindsight, a slightly tweaked Foleo could have been the kick-off of the netbook craze.

Instead the Foleo was canceled September 4, 2007 and the Asus EEE PC701 was released October 16, 2007, just over a month later. The Foleo was $100 more expensive but came with a 10" screen vs. the 7" Eee. The Eee had more onboard storage (and a more space intensive OS) while the Foleo had integrated Bluetooth. Both ran some form of linux.

I have very strong suspicions that DataViz told Palm to take a flying leap after they had to scrap the Foleo Docs2Go. (I also suspect the Foleo Docs2Go was useful in building the Android Docs2Go) With that assumption, I think DataViz had done zero work on WebOS Docs2Go but that Palm made them a launch partner for the Pre as an attempt to make nice.

Good comments, but am I the only person who likes the "riverstone feel of the Pre"? I do admit though that the Touchstone back makes it look a lot better. I wish the screen didn't scratch as easily as it does and that it was a lot faster, though from 1.0 to 1.3.5.1 performance has improved. It really performed when I had the SmartReflex 600 patch, but it wouldn't reboot without removing the battery, so I had to remove the patch.

After I bought my Pre in July 2009, my 22 year old stepson bought his. He said he liked the iPhone which his older brother has, but didn't like the price of the plan. When he saw that we already had the data everything plan, he bought his Pre. He likes the Pre so much he just bought another for his business (he has 3-5 people working for him depending on the time of the year). He really likes that fact that he can run so many applications at the same time (yea multitasking). When my wife's Centro finally wore out, I bought her a Pre last month.

As far as reliability, I have my original Pre, my stepson had to replace his when he fell on it jumping a fence, but any phone would have the screen crushed after that. Even with that event, he was still able to use the phone with a cracked screen for several days before getting his replacement. Every phone I've seen that has a slider has some sort of oreo effect. I do wish that my USB cover didn't break off. My older stepson has had to replace his iPhone three times and a coworker has had to replace his because of a broken screen, which is now broken again. I'm not sure the Pre is any less reliable than the iPhone and battery life seems to be the same. It really helps that I have a Touchstone in my car to charge my phone on the way to and from work.

I'm looking forward to Flash so that I can view video on the actual web page and be able to view video that isn't on YouTube. I read a few sites that embed video in their sites that are not always from YouTube.

Just don't download the Helicopter Game, unless you have a lot of time to waste, it's addictive.

It is true that I think the Pre is less reliable than a blackberry. My Pre has shut off on me (for a couple hours), restarted on me, messed up, lost battery in less than 5 hours, etc.

I still love it.. But wish that things were more reliable.

I liked the Round Robin, and think the observations were all fair. What I love about my Pre is that it gets better so fast, most complaints soon become old "remember when" stories :)

I got the Pre because I already liked Palm, love my Mac but am not an iClone, and refuse to be one of Them (BB). Haven't regretted it once, and seeing it compared to these head on just solidified it.

This is the first platform that got me interested in owning a smartphone. I must say that I am quite pleased with it. I am hopeful that Web OS gets the chance to reach its full potential. I can't wait to see what the future holds both in software and hardware. Bring it Palm!