webOS Weekly - It's Time to Party 68
by Tim Stiffler-Dean Sat, 21 May 2011 6:35 am EDT
Since the launch of the HP Veer just a week ago, we've seen some shifts in the way that people are talking about the device. No longer is it a niche-phone or one with a gloomy looking future, but one with quite a bit of excitement from webOS fans and newbies alike. In this webOS Weekly, we take a look at some of the talk surrounding this new device from HP, and prepare for the future with plenty of other announcements that made their way from small-talk at the punch-bowl, all the way to the life of the party on the dance floor.
Party on over the break to read short bits from Twitter, watch videos on YouTube and read the latest news around the web from people that are talking about webOS devices and the latest device release of the HP Veer 4G on AT&T. If you have stories you would like to add next week, send us an email at tim@precentral.net and we'll be sure to add it in.
Latest News
- The big news story of week is obviously coming as the initial soft-launch of the HP Veer 4G on AT&T last Sunday. We've reviewed the device extensivley and answered your questions to get you ready for the powerfully tiny device, and now it's time to grab one yourselves. Get it online at BestBuy Mobile, Amazon or AT&T's websites, or head straight into the store to see one for yourself live.
- If you've bought a new HP Veer already, don't forget to download the webOS Doctor to your computer for quick access when needed. We're not saying you'll need it often, just that it saves time later if you decide to do something to your device that makes the OS shiver a bit.
- Looking to fancify your Clock app? Thanks to the work from Jason Robitaille and a small team of developers, you can now get a complete makeover of the Clock app to match your mood every day of the week. They've also added the ability to add the Clock to exhibition mode, if you so choose to do that.
- Verizon and HP have worked together in a small manor to push out a bug-fix update to their 1.4.5 devices. Version 1.4.5.1 has been made immediately available to all Pre Plus device owners on Big Red, but doesn't bring much besides some much-needed spring cleaning.
- Wondering what the prices are going to be for the TouchPad and Pre3? Apparently, you can look no further than Playboy Magazine, as they have given that information out publicly in a recent article (they are just estimates by the company, though). Can't forget that Walmart has given us some details as well on the TouchPad Pricing, but we have yet to see an official announcement from HP.
In other words... (Blogs/Video)
- In their recent article, "Smartphones: the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end?" Asymco explores the simple facts on where smartphones are sitting when compared to "dumb" devices. With such a huge percentage of that market left untapped, they come to the conclusion that smartphone makers are probably not focused on beating each other as much as they are trying to convert your regular cell-phone users over to their super-devices. Wondering which smartphone is looking most comfortable for non-smartphone users? Can you say, "HP Veer 4G?"
- If you're getting ready for the upcoming Berlin and Paris webOS CONNECT events, you might like to take a look at the overview video uploaded a few days ago from the original webOS CONNECT event in London, England.
- When avid webOS user Ruben K decided that he was going to go on a trip to Peru two weeks ago, he thought he'd expand his idea a little further and create a challenge for himself. What would it be like using a webOS powered device for those two weeks while travelling abroad? Well, he's answered that question, and documented his two week adventure on his blog which you can check out here.
- Fans of Portal might get a kick out of this video from darkproteus66, who has created a new boot animation using the Portal 2 images and the HP/Palm logos.
- Has the launch of the Veer created any amount of increased sales for app developers in the last week? We can't be sure of every single developer out there, but Geoff Gauchett, developer of two very popular apps neato! and Foursquare, broke down the numbers for us nicely in his most recent blog post.
- Have someone special in your life that you want to thank or just remind them that you're thinking of them? "Reach out and TouchNote someone," as the Palm blog says, and grab this cool app (TouchNote) that sends postcards to anyone you know using images stored on your device. HP is still letting you send postcards for free, too, so be sure to send them off now while you still can.
What's new on Twitter?
- The new WhitePages app didn't just bring much needed functionality to the app catalog, they also brought several $50 gift cards to give away to webOS users. Wondering who the winners were?
- Twitter webOS user @r9skull wants to know "What is the best scrobbling app in the catalog?" Care to help him out with an answer?
- If you're ever in need of a full 3D Model of the HP Veer, in both black and white models, you can thank PreNotes for sharing this link with the rest of the community, and then buy that model for $55 for use in whatever design projects you might have.
- In India, people are already getting ready to buy the HP TouchPad. While the CEO Leo Apotheker may not grant this fan's wishes by sending him a TouchPad and Veer right now, we can hope he at least gives us release dates sometime soon.
68 Comments
This is how im gonna roll into the apple store after i get my new touchpad.
Im gonna grab up that little tight jeans clerk like
"Come on Bennet, Lets Party!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj1L94hM8eY
"No longer is it a niche-phone or one with a gloomy looking future, but one with quite a bit of excitement from webOS fans and newbies alike."
Is this a joke? Party?
After a week of being released, just 10 people from Precentral claim to have a Veer. Most AT&T (and Best Buy) stores couldn't even tell you what it is much less sell it to anyone.
Most reviews gave it a 5 or 6 out of 10.
Yet, here's Precentral ready to celebrate some kind of success.
Instead of being a puppet, how about giving HP a message that this isn't acceptable? That the webOS community who continues to be loyal and give support for this platform would like HP to do its part?
Go read your "most reviews" please, and come back when you've learned that a very small minority of people gave this device a negative review. "Most reviews" are from people who are very excited about having this device. Also, their reasoning for this negative review is almost 100% based on the size of the screen.
Of the 22 reviews (ironically, that's more than 10) on the AT&T website from actual consumers (not your know-it-all tech fans/bloggers), only 3 of them give the device a negative review, and none of those three reviews have any substance at all to their statements (except where they say the screen size is too small).
That is 22 reviews for a device that has had no marketing push (yet), has had little hype in preparation from fans, and has received a few slightly negative reviews from tech bloggers that, again, only complain about the small screen (or the audio adapter).
Normally I would not reply so directly to someone making a statement like yours, but you are echoing the sentiments of too many people who have not actually even used the device yet, and are making shallow statements that aren't even their own, but based on what someone else said before the device was even released to the public.
HP is doing its part. Now it's your turn to listen to what the webOS community, and consumers in general, are actually saying about the devices you so blindly disregard as worthless.
I should note, this comment is my opinion and not from PreCentral or SmartPhone Experts. I simply can't stand to hear people make statements about "most reviews" when the facts show clearly that the opposite is actually the truth. Can't wait till I get my Veer next week and join the many others that have already done the same.
22 reviews. I won't say more than that.
actually its funny you say that. I have a veer :)
bought it last week off contract in the pittsburgh area and its light years faster than the pre 2 which i was rocking before. The veer is freakin awesome performance wise. I am just hoping and waiting that the next webos update lets me sign into all my devices with one profile soon.
22 reviews. The Infuse has 33 right now. What's your point?
It also has over 3000 "Likes" compared to 48 for the Veer. But my point is using 22 reviews as proof is stupid.
I did not use 22 reviews as proof that it is popular, just to point out cmil1212, and others, are entirely incorrect and profusely exaggerating when they say that only 10 people have/will buy a Veer.
I agree with you Tim. Saying only 10 people will buy the Veer is every bit of an exaggeration as saying this is a time to party.
He never said "only 10 people have/will buy a Veer", Tim. He said 10 people at PreCentral claim to have a Veer. Ironic that you claim HE is the one exaggerating, no?
I'm not talking about the AT&T site where a few rabid fans can spam that site with positive reviews. You may as well start citing Laptop Mag's silly little bracket tourney webOS users flock to.
The Veer is nothing new. It's a slower, smaller Pre 2 running the same version with the same features basically. The launch is nothing new from the Pre 2. It's the same silence from HP.
Normally I don't respond so much on the frontpage, but the forums are patrolled nicely by a small minority of vocal irrational webOS cheerleaders who will erase posts or ban users with no notice. You're forcefully shaping opinions with no regard for what's really happening or anyone who's contributed to you for years.
Writers from here seem to have their heads in the sand. Are you afraid HP might turn on you?
Do you even read your own forums? The majority are upset with HP. They wonder..where is the marketing? Where's the freaking updates? What happened to "making things right?" Why is HP launching yet another product that NO ONE knows about? Why even bother with the Veer? Where's any indication from HP that anything might come to Sprint and give those users some answers?
At least you can't ban all the negative responses. You wouldn't have a forum left.
Two of my posts were deleted my the moderator cause he felt it was not on topic as the post was about how many things webOS can do that iOS cant, and I mentioned few things that iOS can do that webOS cant. I wasnt trolling, but what is the purpose of these moderators?
It's what P|C's forums have become. Mods are Gods there and the Gods are upset their favorite OS is not the favorite OS for most. The new unwritten rule in there is "support webOS or suffer the consequences".
Yup. The funny thing is...I could post there with my new account NOW, but choose not to. I like the front pages precisely because it's the only place left on this site where adults can talk.
You are the same cmil who writes negatively on every webOS/pre/pixi and now veer and TouchPad articles. You even make idiotic comments like HP's approach to sell more TouchPads through their enterprise channels is bound to failure. You now have become a designated 'negative commenter' for HP/Palm mobile tools, and thus you can be treated as an agent (may be paid, who knows) of any of the HP's competitors. And so your comments can be ignored if Pre-Central so wishes.
Or you can let P|C's "READERS" decide for themselves. Just a thought.
This just in ... I have decided for myself ... drum roll .... you sir are a doooouuuucccche!
That is all....
Yep, that's it. I'm a paid commenter to take down Precentral. I've secretly been doing this the past decade. LOL Some of my posts have been critical lately, but i chalk that up to disappointment.
this also just in ..... you sir are the same .....
that was almost all.....
If there were really people deleting negative posts just because they are negative - then these users/mods have absolutely failed as it seems to me that there has been an incessant stream of negative opinions during the last months.
The hating on the Veer is entirely irrational as it does not replace but complement the Pre 3.
I don't understand why the people, who don't want a compact phone bother wasting time on arguing that others shouldn't have that option. Nobody forces anybody to buy the Veer. It's an *option* for those who like the form factor and don't need a big screen.
Also expectations about the magical abilities of first Palm and then HP having to design, develop, test, redesign, prototype, test again, certify and get through carrier acceptance in less than year are astounding to me. The magical Apple corp only manages a single phone per year - without having to go through a resource-poor phase followed by a merger.
If you can't wait for more apps and that is most important to you - fair enough - go get an Android or IPhone. The choice is there.
You don't think there's room for webos on the smartphone market - ok - go and - you guessed it - buy an Android or IPhone.
The constant whining and unrealistic expectations (should have release killer phones last year with 2 GB RAM and dual core CPU and every interface known to man) is getting old.
I'm tired of people claiming they have waited for over 2 years. Obviously owners of time machines who want a new phone before they bought the original on US launch day.
Would I have preferred a faster development and more options and far more apps available for webos - sure. But I fail to see the point of constantly whining about what can't be helped or changed now.
Palm was strapped for resources, made some early marketing mistakes, probably had above-average hardware issues and exclusive carrier deals didn't work as well as planned.
All known and acknowledged - and very old news.
If any of that is a killer - what are you whiners still doing here?
HPalm messed up with the updates. First the Flash delays (probably to the largest part Adobes fault though) and later when they failed to bring updates to the 1.x line that could have brought it close to 2.x features where RAM allows. And the way they handled that was a marketing fail too. But all that was old news by March.
Again - if any of that is a killer problem - go and get an alternative phone - there is decent competition.
If some of us - even with all the delays and problems - prefer webos over the alternatives (given new hardware in June - already better than the July/August that I expected) then that's our preferences. People are diverse. Some people want a big scren above all else because they surf and play all the time. Others want something compact that easily fits the pocket because they just want a smarter phone, perhaps listen to some music and have the occasional option of browsing the web.
Offering a range of devices for different tastes is actually a good thing.
Most Veer reviews I read were mostly positive. Sure the small screen is commented on and some dislike the connector (though one reviewer actually liked it and asked why not all phones use that - it's not that different from Apple power cables after all). Fair enough. Every design is a trade-off. IPhone doesn't have a physical keyboard, restrictive policies. 4"+ Android phones are big and heavy. Trade-offs. Gain something by loosing something else.
Last thing: This forum is *not* representative.
The negative posts are not even likely to be a fair representation of the members/readers of this geeky forum. People who have complains are more likely to post. One of the reasons why self-selected polls are useless.
But most of all this forum is utterly unrepresentative of the general market. Most people don't know this forum exists simply because most people don't spend time on forums to begin with. People here worry about spec features that non-geeks neither understand nor usually care about. Non-geeks buy stuff often for no better reason than that they like its look or how it feels in the hand or that a friend has the same - or just that the price was ok and it was available on that day and the sales guy recommended it.
If this post were a review of the Veer, your comments might be applicable. It is not, so they are not. This has nothing to do with "hating on the Veer". Moreso that Tim is literally making things up with a sentence like "No longer is it a niche-phone or one with a gloomy looking future, but one with quite a bit of excitement from webOS fans and newbies alike."
What "newbie" excitement is he basing this on? How is it "no longer a niche-phone"? How has the outlook changed so drastically when it still isn't in most stores and AT&T has not changed how they promoted it?
Did you read any of the user comments about the Veer here and on various other websites?
Is it an avalanche of pure win?
No.
But opinions by many users and reviewers are already way better than many here on this forum predicted.
Only time will tell (let's re-check at the end of the year) whether the Veer can be considered any kind of success.
I would agree that the article is perhaps a bit on the optimistic side of things. But this is a pro webos site after all. A decent bit of looking forward and being hopeful is entirely appropriate in an article here. I'm not saying reality-denying propaganda is OK - just that having a positive attitude at this time is not wrong.
Yes - compared to the feb/march mood I'd say opinions and outlook about the Veer have changed a lot. Then comments about the positive potential of the Veer were very rare. Now there are entire threads from people who really really liked it - after having it actually in their hands or outright buying it.
Again - as far as I'm concerned I don't presume to know whether the Veer will be a total fail or surprise success by the end of the year. Too many variables and unknowns. Something in between is my personal guess.
My point is all the naysayers don't have any better information and choose to ignore the difference in tone by those who actually use it right now.
"But there hasn't been some massive perception shift of the device here or elsewhere"
I disagree.
In feb/march hardly anybody said anything positive about the Veer.
Now there are threads on this forum where plenty people (after actually handling if not outright owning it) say that they really like it.
I never said "massive". But there is a clear upward swing in perceptions about this phone.
And yes - naysayers on this forum did claim the Veer to be DOA, utter fail and a lot of other things that mean that nobody will enjoy this phone (and no doubt puppies were sacrificed to Satan during design and production ;-) ).
Wow...some people who bought the Veer say they like it. THAT is a swing? TEN (more or less) people in a forum with an active membership of 1650 or so.
Less than ONE percent of the active members....that is a shift? Hooray?
Many here claimed that HP would make a big mistake by leading a campaign with the Veer.
Well - turns out that HP obviously agrees with that thinking.
So - perhaps - just perhaps - the plan might be to wait until the Pre3 is out and then market the whole S, M, L range of phones.
That would make some sense.
But that's just the thing. HP IS leading with it, but in a very haphazard way. They sign Lady Gaga, but limit her appearance with the Veer to a print campaign on subways instead getting facetime during her recent Madison Square Garden special on HBO.
They release it, but with a soft launch that will only form negative impressions when consumers see it powered down or stuck at a login screen with ATT reps unable to tell them the least bit about the phone due to lack of training (Remember how Rubinstein said training reps was the thing they needed to work on most during his last earnings call for Palm as an independent company? Yeah....).
If you want to wait until X or Y additional pieces are in place, then you WAIT.
It's simple. Because you only get one chance to make a first impression. Sitting untouched in ATT stores where the staff know next to nothing about it creates an impression of unimportance for the consumer. Going into ATT stores and seeing it under those conditions erodes confidence for existing WebOS fans as evidenced by the myriad of horror stories in the forums about people begging to see it just to be shown a powered off or unactivated unit that the rep never wanted to bother with in the first place.
The NUMBER ONE THING that Jon Rubinstein said caused the bad sales of WebOS devices on Verizon is lack of training and enthusiasm on the part of in-store reps. Guess what is happening yet again....
I often wonder what you are doing here and I ususlly come to one of three conclusions:
One; You're either an extreme nerd about 33 years old and have never kissed a girl, or maybe bound to a wheelchair and very bitter.
Two; You are being paid by or work for another company.
Three; A very sad loser and although only a minor annoyance I just wish you'd go away which is probably how most people have viewed you all your life.
Which one is right, c'mon, be honest, we'd all really like to know.
The best time to party at Precentral is before a big launch or at least before the sales figures come in. Afterwards there is a lot of disappointment and anger as unrealistic expectations are not countered since negative posts are usually deleted as "trolling" or "crapping" on threads.
For example, some people are expecting dozens of major TP apps to be available at launch from Words with Friends to an Office Suite. Others are expecting that the TP will actually show up with different physical dimensions than were announced and with additional unannounced hardware features like HTML-out. More common is the idea that Touch to Share will transfer all sorts of content from one device to another even though it really only sends a URL to a TP or a Pre 3 on the same profile.
So, now is the time to party. webOS is the always the platform of the future. Never the present.
I think you meant to type "HDMI-out".
Don't worry, I'm sure the sales numbers will be "qualified" so that they are better swallowed by the fans. Get ready for some "If AT&T wasn't so busy with Android and iOS products or the sales reps were better informed, things would have been different" excuses. My predicted excuses are:
* Those are good numbers considering AT&T wasn't pushing it.
* webOS is being relaunched, so the numbers don't really matter at this point.
* These numbers mean nothing because HP is in it for the long haul - it's a marathon, not a sprint.
The old stand-bys will also be recycled:
* Blind sheep will simply buy iOS
* Android simply floods the market, people buy it because it's cheap, not because they like it.
* Blah blah blah...troll...blah blah...fanboy...blah.
You forgot everyone's favorite excuse:
"These atrocious form factors are Palm designs that were already in the pipeline!"
Nicely sad brother, I think TP is great, but not amazing. Though it can be made amazing, if H/P decides to get off their behind and work and make it amazing. H/P needs a culture like Samsung or Apple. Thats what will help them succeed.
Like Sarah Palin having a presidential election victory party.
or the clown in office today???
Caught Bin Laden, got the economy on the upswing, and tries to help the poor and middle class get healthcare? Yeah. I'd rather have Obama any day of the week then those racist idiots that can't read a newspaper, are afraid of "gotcha questions", and think Common Sense is a Gangster rapper, lol. And unlike Palin and the Veer, his victory party would be after he actually won not when he's losing.
Thank you SnotBoogie, well said and true lol
I personally know 2 people that use a Veer. They love it, and after a couple days of use they were over the screen size.
Both newbies as well. One switched from iOS, and the other from a blackberry. Coming from a blackberry definitely seems like an easier transition. Although as soon as the iphone user realized how much freedom there is with WebOS it was pretty much over from there. All in All I hear good things in the PA area.
Keep it comin HP!!
The denial and enabling is absolutely amazing.
So is the useless whining.
It's time to party?? Did I miss something?
Geez, set your expectations a little higher. Statements like that make us WebOS faithful look pretty sad.
Yes, we all know WebOS is superior, but when I see the smartphone marketshare pie chart have a slice big enough to at least fit the word "WebOS" inside of it, then I'll think about a party.
Yea no party just yet... Hopefully in the coming months.
I'm pullin for it!
HP should seriously considering to enter Asia Pacific market...it is a very big market.
and HP should make the price lower than iOS to make people try and use WebOS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIJX6UDo9MM
Touchpad release date :D
Yourwelcome
so we have to wait 1 more month? :(
Maybe that's the date they will tell us which carrier will have the touchpad and when we can expect to be able to purchase it.
i dont get why sooo much people hate on the veer? I havent seen it in person so let me ask this, Is the veer better than the original pixi?
If so, which im thinking yes since it has better hardware, why are people reviewing this lower than the original pixi?
On the reviews the number one complain is the size of the screen, which is exactly the same size as the screen on the pixi, but when the pixi was reviewed they mentioned that the screen could take a little getting used to, but they didnt make it a big deal. Now a few years later, reviewers changed their mind about how they feel about the screen size and they give the veer bad reviews based on that? doesnt make sence to me.
I think most reviewers are used to the newer phones that have came out after the pixi, with the big screens, and are being biased. Either that or they just plain and simple dont like WebOS anymore and they come up with excuses on rating a product poorly, to maybe keep people from buying it and make android #1.... ok maybe thats a little bit of a conspiracy theory of mine...
Anyway, the new HP Veer, has waaaay better hardware than the pixi, its faster, smooth, more memory so it performs and runs WebOS 2.x better than the original pixi did with WebOS 1.x but somehow its getting worse reviews than the pixi did.
Reviewers should emphasize that in their personal opinion the screen size is not ideal for them, but for other people that doesnt want the huge screen and are actually looking for a smaller phone, the small screen could be a good thing. They should also say that, the actual phone itself performs great and its a great smartphone!
Reviewers that dont do that only make my conspiracy theory make more sence!
Maybe reviewers should qualify every critique as such. Any perceived slowness in a smartphone is "not for them", and someone appreciating a not-so-speedy device will appreciate it. Buggy software just isn't "their cup of tea". Some may like the excitement and unpredictability. A screen with 2009-era resolution may be appreciated in 2011 by those who prefer slower technological progress.
Really, shouldn't every device get a 10/10 for those "who it's intended for"? Reviewers should just list spec sheets and not annoy us by relating their individual experience or opinion of day-to-day usage.
Oh wow im guessing youre a "professional reviewer"? I hate when people make smart **** remarks that have nothing to do with what the comment was about, with the only purpose of just being a ****
Unlike you, im open minded, and i understand what you're trying to say, but most of the reviews say the operating system works great on the veer "smooth" "snappy" is what i read just about everywhere. The only major point they make to give the Veer a not so great review is the size of the screen.
I got a perfect example, cnet reviewed the original Pixi for sprint and gave it 3 1/2 stars, the cons were that it was lacking wi-fi, the phone could be sluggish at times, and that the camera wasn't that great lacking video recording. That was it for cons.
Now for the Veer reviewed on the same site, AND by the same person (Bonnie Cha) and she gave the Veer 2 1/2 stars, cons being the proprietary connector, slow "4g" speeds, and the TINY SCREEN.
Now lets compare the original Pixi to the Veer: The Veer has wi-fi, its not sluggish like the pixi, has video recording, and its just an overall better phone than the original pixi with better faster hardware, but Bonnie Cha gave the Veer a lower score, that to make doesnt make any sence.
Before i hear that im a fanboy and that im probably bitter because i have a Veer and im upset that its getting bad review, I DONT. I have an original Palm Pre for sprint thats falling apart, and as much as i love Webos im waiting for a new sprint device by hp, and if the evo 3d comes out before i get any news of a Webos device coming for sprint then i will get the evo 3d and maybe a touchpad.
You've got to understand that reviews are time sensitive. My guess (and this is a guess) is that the Pixi would get a much lower score if it was originally being reviewed today. A reviewer's opinion of a product is greatly influenced by the choices available.
Having said that, personally I think she was being generous with the Pixi review back then.
Woo my Portal boot screen got a shout out. Well that made my day
After reading through the handful of comments to this post I can verify that I have just wasted 10 minutes of my life as the commenters are just posting to piss and moan. I wonder when the TP and Pre3 is released if these people will just go away or stop by daily to spew.
Life is too short - - be happy!
tell HP life is short, so they don't keep us waiting any longer.
LOL. Reminds me of a company using a tag line that said "Life moves fast. Don't miss a thing." just before missing an entire product cycle.
Hi all,
The Veer wasn't supposed to be made for
"everyone" they were trying to create the Palm Centro of webOS Phones....something basic, small & easy to use for people who are first making the jump to a smartphone. It wasn't designed for those of us who have been using smartphones for year after year.
My guess is that the Pre3 will be the phone marketed to "everyone".
Take care,
Jay
Ok, I'm gonna say it. I know I can't be the only one thinking it, so I'm just gonna spit it out.
Hi Jay,
The way you word your posts like a letter annoys the **** out of me.
Take Care,
p/c
I wouldn't mind the way he frames each post so much if he didn't have a tendency to sprinkle sympathy-seeking bits of backstory in 90% of them. Yes, you've had a hard life. Yes, you are courageous for dealing with your problems head-on. No, none of it is relevant at all to WebOS.
As a Centro owner, he doesn't seem to understand that the Centro was actually faster, sported a crisper screen, and basically was more capable than any Treo before it. It came preloaded with more software, and actually was the first phone Palm built around Palm OS. Gone were the Treo bugs that plagued that line. The Centro was a very good phone. Only the price signaled anything about being for a beginner.
The Centro was introduced at a time (2007?)when PalmOS still remained..IMO..the best option. The first iphone was very limited with no apps at all. It wasn't 3G and was slow. Android wasn't a factor. It was WM6 or Blackberry as the other competition. Other than the iphone, no other maker offered a touch screen with as high (or higher) a resolution.
One could also use a Centro with a 30 a month SERO plan. Over at AT&T, you'd be paying a 100 a month at least for Edge.
These factors are gone now. Data plans are required and cost the same for any smartphone. Larger, higher rez screens are everywhere. This simply isn't 2007.
WebOS has potential and is capable. HP won't realize this if they keep going after this mythical "starter" market with the smallest **** devices it can think of. These devices do not help webOS evolve. They do not by far showcase webOS in the best light possible. And sure as heck don't draw devs.
As a fan, you should be wanting HP to stop thinking this way. Great hardware makes it possible to forgive a lot of things webOS needs work with still. But producing phones like the Veer is not helping. It only highlights webOS's weaknesses. It hurts webOS more than it helps.
One phone HP. Just one phone. Give it all the leading specs we see today and a decent name. Is the Pre 3 that phone? No. This phone will be targeted at business users. HP will not consider this their consumer phone. The phone HP needs is one that will basically be their mini Touchpad.
Anyone who thinks the small size is key to getting people who have never had a phone to jump over to smart phones is really just full of wishful thinking. If girls wants a nice 'chick' phone to put into their purse and have it look cool at the bar then it could be a good fit. Guys with a Pre3 could find it a good weekend phone also if it had tap to transfer. Otherwise, those entering the market will likely get a phone like what their sons, daughters, friends, and other people they know have and that isn't likely a WebOS device at this point.
There's probably better examples. Chevy didn't make the Metro to sell Corvettes.
Daimler-Benz (maker of Mercedes cars) made the Smart to sell - err - the Smart.
They're probably the one ones with even less of a market share in the auto industry than HP has in the phone arena.
with the SMART car that is.
Ok, now for a semi serious moment mainly for the two negative ninnys above:
1) So what's your device of choice?
2) If it's not a webOS device, why are you here? I pop in to android central occasionally to learn a bit since I got my son an Optimus S but that's about it.
3)I have lots of sarcastic posts in this forum that have some ingrained negativity. I am frustrated at HP's lack of release dates, carrier announcements etc. like most are at this point, so why are we here? easy: hope.... we love webOS enough to hang on to the bitter end if necessary.
to be continued ....
Question for you.
"ilovedessert"/Jay's device of choice is not a WebOS device. No one questions why he is here or berates him to go elsewhere. Why?
Don't bother answering. We all know it's because he cheerleads. So this "requirement" of owning or using a WebOS device is complete horse manure. Meanwhile, people who have actually purchased a WebOS device (I got a Pre for myself and a Pixi for my wife) and purchased apps aren't allowed around because we're not positive enough.
All that matters to current management is "positivity". Not facts. Not contributing to discussion. Not owning a device. Not actually fiscally supporting WebOS.
Just say you're down with the cause and cheerlead. The rest is irrelevant.
Sad...so sad. This board is just an absolute joke now. How did it fall so far from the days of TreoCentral when you were assumed to be an adult who could decide for yourself what was appropriate or not to the "be positive" days of propaganda we have now?
I don't care if they keep up with the bans and deleting of posts. Someone has to say this stuff, and I applaud Untidy Guy and Cmil, while they are still allowed to exist, that is.
We're "celebrating" a new WebOS device on the nation's largest carrier that has induced a whopping 10 people at the largest WebOS community to buy it in a week. Are you kidding me?
Ok .. I was trying to come to the defense of this site and the Stiffler.... but something in my post is getting it flagged as spam .... VERY IRRITATING PRECENTRAL !!!!! I'M TURNING !!!!! -THE DARK SIDE IS CALLING !!!!!
same here, my post was marked as spam and was never posted, but i wasn't trying to defend the stiffler. I was trying to tell him to go party without me on this one because I don't see any reason to party.
Oh and how Jon Rubinstein is a **** head because while a bunch of us are still using a pre/pre plus running 1.4.5, he is using phones that aren't even out yet running the latest webos.
I want him to use my pre minus just for a day to feel the pain i feel with the battery life, having to restart 3 times a day, the lag, the broken space bar etc... I'm sure after using my phone for 1 day he'll open his eyes and realize people are waiting for newer devices because of **** devices falling apart like the pre.
Ironically, the real spam doesn't seem to have any trouble getting past the spam filter.
its time to party is just dumb....
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