What does 512MB of Memory on the Verizon Palm Pre Plus Mean? 108
When the Pre Plus was announced during Palm's CES presentation (you were reading our live coverage of the event, right?), a few key enhancements were detailed, namely the doubling of the Flash memory 16GB and the addition of "twice the internal memory". An educated guess on how much RAM the Pre Plus will sport led us to the 512MB number, and it has now been confirmed: the Plus version will indeed have an impressive 512MB of RAM when it launches on Verizon on the 25th, as evidenced by the somewhat difficult to read screenshot above supplied by sirbowen1982 in the forums.
We know that 512MB of RAM will allow the Pre Plus to launch more cards and we expect it'll help the occasional PDK app - but unless we're wildly off the extra RAM shouldn't speed things up as a whole. That should help ease the pain for Sprint customers. Future Verizon customers, however, we're curious: how excited are you about that extra 256?
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I am curious about what the extra RAM means as it relates to 3D gaming such as Need for Speed....specifically whether Palm or the folks in-the-know can tell us whether the Pixi platform, both Sprint and Plus versions, will be getting this higher end 3-D gaming. All I've seen in the forums has been a lot of flaming between Pre owners and Pixi ownders. That statement from Palm would ease a lot of concern.
N4S uses about 50MB of resident RAM. It is able to allocate it by swapping out memory from other process. This is only performed at launch. So once it's up and running, the performance difference shouldn't be any different than if there were 512MB available. However the initial load time might be a tad faster on 512MB, maybe...
When no apps are running on a regular Pre (with 256MB), there is about 35-40MB available in free/cache space (or unused memory in Luna mgr), so N4S doesn't need to swap much to get the 50MB.
The extra memory is nice to have in order to run more card/apps at once, but with smart memory management, extra performance is not necessarily the outcome of more RAM after some threshold, and currently webOS is tuned for 256MB.
Yeah I get that. I'm just worreid that these games won't be ported to the Pixi anytime soon. If someone would announce either "Yes" or "No" or even "yes, but not for several months after they launch for the Pre" then at least we'd ALL know.
I wouldn't expect iPhone ports to ever come to Pixi, due to the resolution difference. That's the only reason you aren't playing Sims 3 on your Pixi right now.
Maybe Palm will release a workaround. Maybe. I'd be VERY surprised if developers took it upon themselves to make their iPhone port compatible with a smaller resolution.
Otherwise, sure, it can do 3D, it has the hardware and webOS 1.3.5.
Simple, albeit less attractive fix from Palm -- do what a Full Screen TV does for a Wide Screen movie (make it small enough to fit on the screen and add black rectangles to the top and bottom to make it work.
And actually, the Pixi's hardware is different from the Pre (different CPU, different GPU, etc.).
That reminds me of playing Doom back in the day when you could put borders around the screen and shrink it to get better performance on lower end PCs.
First, the phone would be less laggy.
Second, you could have more cards open.
third, over all, it might not make a huge difference.
Additional RAM generally helps with lagginess only to the extent that it reduces swapping to slower secondary storage, in the Pre/Pixi case flash ram. Actually does webos allocate swap space?I'm posting from my pre so I can't check. If it doesn't than I don't see how ram will reduce lag. In that case, additional ram will only help with running more apps.
From a linux level, I'm confident of the above. But I don't know how java does things. I know it does garbage collection but I don't know if it does swapping to secondary storage. Even if linux doesn't.
It means Early Adopters are second class citizens, at least for now, anyway.
you make a good point.
I think Verizon will have the top dog for 5 months, then Sprint customers get Pre 2 in June. I'd rather be using my Pre for the past 7 months, than wait till now and pay too much more money per month for it.
i am really tiring of the griping and moaning that early adopters are being shafted, you are bunch of bitches if you truly believe this. we are talking a time fram of 8 months plus between the release on sprint to verizon. the way technology progresses everything is getting faster and cheaper. i gaurantee the pre plus has similar if not the same production costs as the original pre did last june. point: i bought a new desktop in august with a tri-core and 6gb of ram, before christmas a new quad-core was released with 8gb. this is life. now palm could have produced the first pre with these new specs but i promise you it would have cost more. lastely do you really think verizon would have as many current subscribers or people makin the switch to them if they pushed out the same phone that has been out since last spring, i think not. with these slight upgrades it is raising the intrigue for palm devices, sounds like a smart business move to me which in the long run will benefit all palm users. Do you really think that palm is going to begin programing apps and features that can only be ran with the increased ram?
Now put your big girl panties on, think before you speak or shut the hell up!
You have stated this exactly as it should be. Well put!
And we were well beyond the "early adopter" phase before iPhone even launched. These are new smartphones, not a new technology. If you're aunt can buy it, use it, appreciate it, the "early adopter" window closed long ago. People who bought Pre's in June are "Charter Members" of the WebOS society.
*dryly*
Because cussing out someone who believes differently than you _always_ makes the listener more receptive to seeing your side of things. /sarcasm
(Disclaimer: I don't have a Pre yet. I am currently free to purchase a new one from any provider I choose, so I'm not on the opposing side. I simply don't care for your lack of civility in expressing your point of view.)
i do apologize, you are right, my crassness was a bit over the top *caught me before my morning cup* anyways, i really don't believe i was arguing a difference of opinion per se as pointing out anothers insolence. if you frequent this board then you can agree that the postings in regards to the announcement of the plus models and current sprint users being 'second class' is really unfounded. to believe that any high tech based purchase is going to be the top of the list for a significant amount of time is pure wishful thinking. by all means, if you think palm is neglecting sprint users in favor of verizon, switch. you will be right back, or want to come right back, as soon as the next new model is released on sprint. realisticly, most phone models on a single carrier have a cycle of twelve to fifteen months. i'll bet my bottom dollar there will be grumbling from verizon users too when the next-new model is released and it's not on their carrier.
While I agree with you, please do NOT tell me which panties to wear. I am a 38 year old man, and I can wear any type of panties I want to!
bahaha tell it like it is homie!
Cheers for a 1GB RAM and 1GHZ Processor Palm Pre 2 for sprint!! ...Lol? yes? no? who's with me :D
That's the lot of being an early adopter... with technology, the next generation is always faster, better, cheaper (fill-in the blank). And the next generation comes faster and faster... they don't wait 1, 2, 3 years like they use to. The carriers are always nudging the phone companies to add an enhancement so that they will have just a little competitive edge over the others. Always trying to one-up each other.
If in June 2009, Palm had come out with a 16gb Palm for Sprint, Verizon would have wanted 24gb or 32gb. That always happened. It happened with the Palm OS phones (at least before the Centro)... AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint had different versions of the phone... 680/750p/755p... carriers wanted more and more. Sadly, I am an AT&T customer, so we are last ones as usual that get anything Palm related.
When Sprint, comes out with their next gen Palm device, I will be leaving AT&T -- assuming Sprint's new phone will be out when my contract ends in May. I'm not going with Verizon... to me, you just can't beat the Sprint deal.
illegal aliens...
Well lets all thank Palm for hooking us sprint customers up with the first edition for a mear $300+ and then less than a year later giving verizon a phone that makes our our purchase look stupid. If it wasn't for us, I think Palm would be in a bigger finacial problem than they are now, and because of this, I think this will be the last Palm item I purchase.
Might as well never buy a computer again too. I mean those will go obsolete in 7 months too. It is a piece of Technology.
I don't know why our purchase looks stupid. And mine was $200 after the MIR.
Are you saying instead of the meek 8 gigs we have that there wasnt the tech nology to maybe instead install a 16 gig microsd? Why are verizon customers that much better than us? it wouldn't have taken up any more space or added any weight, so is it too much to ask why not us?
Wait until the Pre II comes out for Sprint and watch the Verizon customers bitch about that.
I bet the Sprint Pre II will have Voice Dialing... let's start a rumor!! Not only Voice Dialing but a MicroSD slot.
We ALL knew 8 gigs was a competitive weakness at launch, especially without SD. We ALL knew Palm would more than double it within 24 months of launch. We ALL want Palm to put the best phone out there ASAP to keep up with and maybe surpass the competition.
So, unless you're due for upgrade/renew to Pre at Sprint in the next five months, does it really matter than Verizon has this and Sprint doesnt? Was anybody going to hand over their 8Gig Pre for a 16Gig at Sprint before June?
We have all the functionality of the Pre+ and at about a 40% savings over Verizon. I say it's a wash. Could have been a lot worse. Palm/Verizon bloodied our lip, but it didn't break our nose.
It's a phone, PIM, internet device and media player. * gigs is enough s\at present. If your media library is that big, buy a dedicated media player. I mean come on, it's not meant to be an entertainment device only. And besides, when you bought it you knew it was 8 gigs.
I do however, enjoy how much my plan cost per month, and My idiot butt didn't send my rebate in fast enough, 2 days late, so I paid $300. My bad on that one.
The exact reason I bought from a Radio Shack store and not from the Sprint store that was closer to my office.
I really don't understand people getting upset about a company updating their products. This is what happens with products, especially in electronics. The day after you buy something it is outdated. It would be foolish for Palm to send an outdated product to Verizon. Palm needs the Verizon launch to be big. I'm just glad that I've had an incredible product since June.
"It would be foolish for Palm to send an outdated product to Verizon."
and it is foolish to sell an outdated product at sprint, too.
Was the Sprint phone outdated when it was first released?
Go to Best Buy and look at all the Core 2 Duo computers for sale. Guess what? They are all out of date now with the i5 and i7 out.
"Was the Sprint phone outdated when it was first released?"
I never said that, nor did I implied it. but as it seems sprint will still sell the old model, while there is a newer and better one available. but one, that you do not get, when you are bound to sprint in the moment.
It's not foolish at all. I'm willing to bet Verizon (a competitor of Sprint) wouldn't have accepted the phone on their network unless they got some sort of perk or exclusivity. Let's just hope Palm was smart enough to accept that offer so long as Verizon agrees to put the advertising dollars behind the Pre that they did the Droid.
Don't get me wrong. I've been with Sprint for over 10 years and love paying less per month. I'm just not that salty about this.
What I'm more salty about is the fact that we have locked down phones to begin with. I wish it was all open (like Google tried to get in the FCC bidding a few years ago). Note: They got 2 of their 4 "open" criteria approved.
Where you born yesterday in the tech world? As soon as a product is released, it is obsolete. To say that Sprint is wrong for selling a product for 7 months and some how shafting its customers because it isn't the latest and greatest is IGNORANT bordering on juvenile.
Say Sprint had the Pre Plus available today. Would you shell out the $599 or more to have it? You are in contract, you can't get an subsidies. Other than being unethical and breaking contract for free in Jan. and reupping, there is NO way to get a new device if they had it.
I would bet that Sprint will have something better than the Pre Plus in June/July when we do qualify for new subsidized phones.
Substitute Palm with a car company name... might want to re-think the ranting...
FORD... you'll never buy another Ford again because you bought a 2009 model in November and in January they came out with a new edition. Your 2009 model, works just fine, still looks great, costs less than the newer model, takes you where you want to go, people still admire it when they see it/touch it... but you, you're upset and sit there thinking about how FORD screwed you over,...they came out with the 2010 model, two months after I bought this one and look at all the cool stuff in the 2010 model... I hate Ford and I'll never buy another car from them again... I'm going to get a CHEVY or CHRYSLER (that'll teach'em).
that's not what I said. if ford offers a new model, I can buy the new model without any problems. if I am on sprint and I want to buy a pre, I will get the old model.
so, I am not complaining, that there is a new model now, but that palm is still selling the old model now to new customers. different story, than your comparison -- and from those commentators above you.
You are correct...
I should have used the Plymouth Neon and Dodge Neon (with better accessories) instead...so... Sprint is Plymouth and Dodge is Verizon.
The point... Sprint PRE was not outdated in June 2009 and it's still not outdated... to me outdated would mean that all those new features that Ruby talked about at CES 2010 would not work on Sprint PRE. If that were the case, I can see customers being upset with Palm and with Sprint.
it's not about being upset or not. it's about future customers. as a future customer, I wont buy a pre at sprint anymore, as I now know, I will get a model, that's in some sense "old" -- has lower memory and a worse slider (AFAIK). And I do not want to spend money on an "old" model.
As I said, it's not about being upset about the past.
Agreed. It's nice to know that most of us users feel good about having the pre for the time it's been around.
http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/223420-release-date-users-regret-y...
I can feel a bit of buyer's remorse if someone got the pre over a month ago, and would've gone to Verizon had they known the plus was coming out, but for those of us on Sprint lucky enough to get the pre when it was released or near the release date, I see no reason to be upset. We got to buy the pre before anyone else, and have had the experience of going through the ups and downs of the webOS evolution. I, for one, have no regrets or animosity towards Palm for improving their product. As long as I see a pre2 when June rolls around =)
ok.
What did you expect? I knew when I paid the $199 that the price would soon be less. That's the price you pay for being first in line for a new device. I suspected that the Verizon version would have more memory.
Do I wish mine did, yes. Although I really wish Palm had just given me a microSD slot. But hey, I knew how it would work when I bought and I'm sure you did too.
So stop whining.
but what is that c40 thingy in Sprint's system. Perhaps that is the early adopters new toy..? Wishful thinking.. Eh?
It's a "distraction" or a "decoy" to goose fence sitters into waiting for the unveiling, rather than running to Verizon for a marginal upgrade.
OH LORD! Tech progressed in 6 months! What are we all to do! I have an idea, lets make a law that says that no technology can get better... EVER. That way everybody will be happy with their gadgets for life.
Seven months and it's still nearly two weeks to launch.
Who is John Galt?
Hahah!
exactly.
My only fear, as a current gen pre owner, is that the extra ram is necessary for use of some higher end flash stuff.
I think that Palm will try to keep everyone in the 256 Mb memory footprint. However, it might mean that you can't multitask with certain apps. For example, Sims3 seems to take all the RAM I can give it. On the Pre Plus, you might be able to still run it with other things open.
I don't think a developer would be dumb enough to require 512 Mb to run anything and limit the app to the Pre Plus only.
And the alternative of having your game crash on a regular basis is better?
We should be so lucky that Palm could develop the bells and whistles that fast. Its taking more than 7 months just go get camcorder. It took six months just to remove the app limit. Pre+ is high-spec'd, not higher tech. And I'm sure until about the 18month mark, any Palm sanctioned development will be done to optimize at 256, because that is where most of their customers will be.
* For those expecting to be able to have more cards open: in ideal circumstances I'd agree... but it's clear there is some sort of bug/limitation/whatever in webOS and/or application code (not sure which) because I've seen the "too many cards" error MANY times with just two cards open, and I think I remember seeing it with just a single card a few times. Clearly extra memory isn't going to fix this (and if it does I'd be absolutely SHOCKED). It's probably safe to assume however that, if this issue wasn't present, then yes, more memory would equal more cards open.
* For those expecting a speed bump: that very much depends on how/if the extra memory is utilized. Under Windows for example, more memory typically makes things faster because it reduces swapping to the hard drive. Even if there's a ton of swapping going on with a 256Mb Pre I wouldn't expect extra memory to have a ton of impact because reducing swapping in a flash memory-based system doesn't lead to as much improvement. There might be *some*, but I'm not sure you'd ever be able to tell.
So, *maybe* it will improvement performance somewhat, but not much. And as for more cards, yes, *if* the underlying problem that definitely seems to be present is somehow fixed too, whatever the root cause of it is.
With respect to your first bullet, extra memory is not going to fix the too many cards open issue, but it can very well reduce the frequency of occurances.
This is because the most likely cuplrit for the too many cards open is memory leaks. Memory leaks in applications cause memory to be 'lost' in chunks. Over time, enough lost chunks accumulate such that there isn't enough memory to open a new app. Having more memory will delay but not avoid this from happening.'
I periodically do the following in the order listed below to free up memory:
1. Perform Javascript Garbage Collection using the Homebrew App 'Jstop'. If memory is too low you won't be able to launch Jstop.
2. Restart UI (Luna) only using the Homebrew App 'Luna Manager'. If memory is too low you won't be able to launch Luna Manager.
3. Reboot Phone (orange key + symbol key + r key)
I haven't had a 'too many cards' warning since the 1.3.5 update.
Besides, how often do you really need to have more than 2-3 cards open anyway?
As an experiment, I opened applications until I got the error. I opened 17 cards before the error appeared. The apps that I opened, were many of the common apps, dialer, mail, cal, browser, etc. I also made a call with 5, 10, and 15 cards open. I also didn't just "open" the app, I manipulated each app as I went, then went back and did things as I opened additional apps.
To me, that is pretty good performance...greater than I would ever expect to need in real life, every day situations.
The problem is in what rlopin describes (which is completely correct)... it could very well be certain applications leaking memory that causes the problem for many of us (I still see it post-1.3.5, although a bit less frequently for sure). This implies it's an application-level problem, but not absolutely... it could be a problem in the OS that only certain applications bring out through no real fault of their own.
As rlopin states, it's a reasonable expectation to assume that more memory will reduce the frequency of the situation... possibly even to the point that is *seems* to go away... but if the underlying problem isn't fixed it's still there, just swept under the rug, so to speak.
rlopin, do you have a handle on whether it's application-level or not? Sure seems like it to me, but possibly not... I do tend to notice it most with the web browser, but certainly not exclusively.
fzammetti, I have no empirical knowledge of whether it is app-level or not, but that is most likely. I was an application developer for many years and this is quite common. The OS itself or one of the built-in apps could be the culprit as well as you suggested.
I agree with you about the web-browser. It has in my experience been the worst offender in that after just two instances launched the phone would become very unstable and I would get the too many cards error.
However, after 1.3.5 I have seen a drastic improvement. I bet Palm found and plugged the memory leak(s) in the browser. Of course, I have been downloading other apps like crazy and haven't figured out which apps now cause memory leaks.
The frequency of too many cards also increases as you use apps that take up more and more memory (makes sense, right?). So now when I launch the new 3D games Need for Speed or Glyder2 the odds of hitting a memory limit increases (which is what I've observed). Sometimes they will even crash the phone (not too often though).
I love my Pre!
The demos of 3D gaming were probably done on a Pre Plus. It's possible that the plugin implementation of 3D gaming may really require 512MB of RAM to be stable. 3D gaming may be another example of Palm being pressured to release something before it's really ready. We will probably start to see some if not all 3D games say "Pre Plus Only", soon. It'll be like PC software where you have to look at the side of the box to see what the minimum requirements are otherwise you play at your own risk.
Now we know why they called it "Plus". There will be games which require the extra RAM in order to be stable.
^Probably not for a while. Need For Speed uses only about 50MB of RAM and runs great on a regular Pre.
I do wonder if Flash will perform better with the extra RAM. I'd think that is where we might see the difference.
^Probably not for a while. Need For Speed uses only about 50MB of RAM and runs great on a regular Pre.
I do wonder if Flash will perform better with the extra RAM. I'd think that is where we might see the difference. However the Flash demos looked pretty good with 3 flash cards open on a regular Pre (it had the center button).
NFS is exactly the type of gaming I want on my Pre. So if other games are written properly, I don't think I'll be caring about the amount of RAM that they use.
What on earth would a game do that would require 512MB of RAM?! It's not like we're loading entire worlds in WoW or something... I don't think I would want to wait for the load times on those games anyway.
Hmmm... WoW on the Pre...
I guess the Lich King wouldn't look so mean if he was only 1/2" tall... But boy it would be hard to top the dps meter when you can barely see the boss... lol
? They used Pre's to demo at CES. Not Pre Plus. Evident by the button. They used several, but they were Pre's. This statement is a horrible guess and has no foundation in reality. I have not had any 3d game crash. Those that have are being asked to do a partial reset as the rush to download the 3d games may have led to a strain on the servers causing some corrupted install. You don't seem to "know" anything here. Just a lot of made up nonsense.
My guess is that many of the 3d games will be straight ports of the iPhone version of the game with a bit of tweaking to get it optimized for webOS. Seeing as the iPhone 3GS has 256MB of memory, most of these games should work fine in webOS. But, since the iPhone typically doesn't have true multi-tasking like webOS, many of the heavier games were written assuming that they would have close to the full 256MB of memory. So, those sorts of games probably won't be optimal when running with many other cards open in webOS.
It will probably be a while before we see games that REQUIRE more thatn 256MB of memory. the Pre Plus will just multi-task better when running these more memory intensive applications.
*EDIT: Of course the OS takes up a significant chunk of that 256MB on the Pre & iPhone.
I remember when people laughed at me for saying the Pre Plus had double the RAM during Palm's presentation
Same here. I thought it was pretty obvious from the presentation. Funny thing is, I've been talking up the pre to the guys here in the office, trying to bring them on board. Almost had one guy switch from Verizon to Sprint for the pre since his contract is up Feb 1st. Now he's going with the plus! I'll be able to compare them directly, which will be nice...unless his pre kicks my pre's azz. Then I'll have to put up with his boasting every day!
I downloaded Glyder 2 and while I really enjoy it, I usually have to reboot or at least restart Luna first, and I can't have anything else running. I've never done any themes but I do have a fair number of patches and services.
I'm pretty sure the extra RAM would help, but I can't whine about getting my Pre 6 months ago. I'm enjoying the ride too much.
Why you people complaining? Us Canadians are the real second class citizens!! We're still waiting for the App Catalog to open their paid apps, even Europeans have a date for the full catalog to open (March). Talk about getting it in the A**
The current 3d-rending failures existing on the Pre has to be driver releated and not hardware. Their say that these games right now are barely using 20% of the RAM the current Pre is using. The more RAM would mean more sophisticated apps running at once.
oops wrong topic
I would have bought the Pre on Verizon - IT UPDATES What, MONTHLY - If Pre Plus had no add-ons you'd all bitch about that fact. Quit the Pity Party. I am sure the ATT Pre will have more than the VZW. So, just grow up - cause nobody wants to hear your throw-up.
What is with all the early adopters bitching? I love my Pre. The changes in the Pre Plus are not that huge. We are still getting video, and flash. I am so proud of Palm for going to another carrier. This means we can look forward to more products form Palm. Stop your bitching... It's not that serious.
to be honest (and as usual),
it's really just a few people complaining, right? I've seen 6 (or more) quit-yur-bichin replies to the this thread for every one crying 'palm, why have you foresaken me?'
Consider the limitations of the CPU: 800MHz can only do so much, no matter how much RAM you have. I'm wondering how much of the card limitations are actually due to the CPU and not just memory.
My understanding is that it does multitasking much like Windows XP on a single-core CPU - it cycles between processes based on priority, but not by running simultaneous processes like a multi-core CPU can.
RAM is faster than flash memory. If webOS has effective memory management, having more RAM should reduce the amount of swapping, and that should decrease lag due to swapping. I'm not entirely sure the Pre does swapping though; if it did, then I don't see the purpose of limiting the number of cards at one time so long as you have memory available.
Can someone who actually knows about the swapping issue comment?
The Pre is using a 600Mhz processor underclocked to 500Mhz.
What I found interesting at CES was that there was no mention of what Sprint (or anyone else) would be seeing in June, one year from the release of the original Pre.
Do we think there will be a Pre Plus on Sprint? Will we get something even better than a Pre Plus? Will we get nothing (and have to deal with it)? Or is there an option I'm not seeing here.
Amusingly, the thing that I like most about the Pre Plus is that it doesn't have that stupid button in the gesture area that has caused two of my Pre's to have spidering issues...
Other than that, the things I took away from CES and WebOS were the video recording editing (totally can't wait), and the 3D games--I'm really glad I didn't have to wait for that, NFS is awesome!
I'm sure Palm agreed to be as mum for the next few months as they were about Verizon thes last few months. I'd look to the earnies reports. The next one should say "expect new devices in the short term" and then three months later expect details (specs, carriers, timing).
Palm can't publicly obsolete VZ's phone 2 weeks before it releases. The lack of info regarding devices was rather telling.
1st. 3D game is nice, but not a big problem on a phone, i mean, who gonna play multiple 3D games at once?
2nd. small screen, stream down 3D games don't require humongous memory. Like people mentioned above, 50MB for NFS, and thats intense.
3rd. improvement is expected and necessary. We at sprint can upgrade Pre each year, are we gonna lose anything before June or even Dec? are there gonna be killer apps require more than 256MB can handle before then? NO. we save $200-900 per year on sprint, vs VZ after all.
4th. There are alot more aspect webOS can do, and can improve on the Pre, for years to come, and I can think none of them being memory demanding. Whats the worry?
5th. 5-15 apps running simultaneously is good enough. DO we really care a lot if we can get 7-20 running together or 5-15? I mean, even on a desktop/laptop, most people dont run 15 apps together all the time.
Just CALM DOWN.
An extra 8gb and double the ram doesn't justify a $40 dollar a month increase to me. Sprint has been good to me since the $30 SERO plans back in the day. I now pay $65 a month including insurance for the Pre.
Use your Pre for what it really is; a phone, internet, and occasionally streaming device. If you want sick amounts of storage for music and video get an iPod. That's what I do.
And you know by the end of the year Palm will give Sprint some crazy new phone, probably with a front facing camera so relax. Every Palm phone that has ever been released always ends up going to Sprint.
I am completely stoked that the Palm Pre is getting better with each new device, different carrier or not. Think of how many verizon customers will be picking up a new palm pre and increasing palm's market share. I have a coworker who is on verizon and is going to be making the upgrade to the Pre Plus. Sure I am jealous, but who cares. I bought my Pre shortly after launch and haven't looked back. Granted the Android devices have more apps and better form factors, BUT look at how many different phones they have. Do you think their forums are full of tiny children whining because they bought the MyTouch and then a few months later the Hero dropped on Sprint? How about those that swapped to Sprint from Big Red for the Hero, only to see Verizon get the Droid Eris a few months later! Android users have a much much bigger reason to whine because their units haven't really been getting better but for small changes. The Hero is over a year old, but is still the preferred device, not including the Nexus One. I am happy Palm will have 4 devices spread to two U.S. carriers with a third on the horizon. What will happen when ATT gets the Palm II along with Sprint? Verizon customers will be doing the same thing we early adopters have done. There is a reason we get in the game early. The better 2.0 version never drops for a full year after initial release. Look at the iPhone and how many customers it ticked off when they dropped the 3G, followed by the 3GS. The same will happen to Palm customers.
In this day and age, people need to either just wait for that magical implant in our gives us a sweet digital HUD display within our field of vision to access the net and make calls from within our own minds, or just keep buying what is new EXPECTING something better to come out with 6 to 8 months. Again, Android users have to face a new phone every 3 months it seems like these days, so we should feel lucky our customers are not getting bombarded by weak devices that actually hurt further development.
I agree with early adopters being second class citizens here. I wonder when and if Sprint will have some good news for us who've had the phone since day 1.
be patient everybody. It's going to get better. we've got more comin. I'm glad that palm is opening there's door for more carriers. we should not be the only ones with the greater experience.If it must means upgrading specific components on the pre for different networks or carriers, then so be it. The phone is making great progress!! Beside, there's lots of people out there would like to own a pre but not available on there carrier. no matter what, i still think that sprint is the best carrier out there.and for what all the phone can do, i'd rather be on a carrier like sprint that gives everything for free. REMEMBER, WE'VE GOT 5mos.
I think this is the right step for Palm, If there had been no improvements people would have been bitching about that too.
I am waiting for PRE2 come June/July and since on Sprint I can upgrade every year I couldn't be happier that they have already improved mid year. To me this means Pre2 is going to be much better than Iphone 2G -Iphone 3G change since Pre+ has already doubled RAM in addition to secondary storage.
As for those moaning about early adopters, that is ALWAYS the case, do you really want technology to remain stagnant????
512MB of ram would mean NO MORE LAG. I don't know why people were concentrating so much on the lack of GPU drivers/support in previous versions of webos.. It's always been the memory that's caused the pre to lag, as evidenced by swapping that was taking place while the lag was happening..
-mark
It's all good to me. Can't wait for whatever Palm has to offer in the Summer. But since Pre means before maybe the 2nd generation should have a different name. ;)The 3rd generation should definitely be Post!
I am more exicited about the video recording, flash, and the competition for having the best ($1,000,000) downloaded app. I could care less that Verizon has the Plus, because from what I have read on these blogs, the difference is just memory. Could I have used the extra storage space...sure, I don't care about the price we paid for this phone then what verizon customers might pay, because I ended up paying $100 for mine @ B.Buy. So, instead of whining and complaining about who got screwed. Lets start giving developers ideas about making useful, innovative apps for ALL PRE and PIXI users!
I am really jelous of the extra ram. Is that really new technology or is it just more cramming? I can not have more than one or two semi intensive apps or web pages open at a time, and my phone crashes all the tme, and for that I feel like I can't call this a legitimate multitasking phone, besides background synergy. But, I know that first generation phones will allways be ironing out the rough edges, so if anything, take this as a lesson to do your homework to find an outstanding deal online. I was able to get my pre from a company that provides employee discounts (my place of employment not included) to companies and so my pre was $25. Subsidies work magic!
Personally I'm waiting for Palm to bring out a real iPhone/Droid/Nexus/HD2 competitor.
3.5" screen (or bigger)
32gb memory (or 8+microSD slot)
And preferably, a horizontal slide out keyboard.
Now bring it to Sprint where I can keep my fast data and low service cost and that's the device that will get me to trade up from my Pre.
See where most see this as Palm shafting us and what not, I see the complete opposite. I feel Palm is HONORING us. We ask, they deliver. We want video recording, they deliver. We want games, they deliver. We want to get rid of middle button, they deliver. We want more memory, they deliver. At this rate June is looking quite exciting!!!
IMHO... Anyway
I bought the Palm Pilot and have been upgrading since then, including the Handspring Treo which I bought then got another one when palm absorbed handspring back: The Pilot, the IV, the 505,m515 (if u think this bitching is bad...boy the 505 to the 515 was BRU-TAL. Then the lightweight cheap one...forget that one...then the T2, the E2, Treo 650, and now...the PRE (w/Classic...I'm old). To me the Pre I have vs. the Pilot is like the difference between punch card computers to the new Pentium multi-cores...If I play a game and can get a call I'm happy. Shouldn't be interrupting Sims3 to work on an email or check your savings account...I'm waiting for the palm BODY...2 chips implanted in each ear, and 2 contact lenses that connects you to everything. All info and radio included in that. $100 for the eqip., $200. for the surgery, of course subsidized by the phone companies...
haha they would have to rebrand the company name from "palm" to "ear"
I like the cut of your jib sir...how 'bout the ENT Pre...Ears Nose Throat, memory and processor in the cloud...only James Bond would have a chance at stopping us!
i first saw the pre on a tech show of sort about a few months before the release and at the time i was with us cellular and they were great service wise .sofar sprints doin great for me .i came here on july fourth for the pre.
will i goto the dreaded V ? hell no ! am i happy to see palm developing the pre so that i may upgrade at some point? hell yes! i look forward to seeing what palm will introduce to sprint as an upgrade . i hope it is a pre2 and not another device. we are lucky to be with a resonably priced server and to have apps like mytether so we don't have pay extra for what shld be free anyway. lets just hope the pre2 dos'nt block this kind of advantage . i will continue to enjoy this thing ("that's what she said!") till the new one arives at sprint as far as the vverizone pre users that's more people in our community not marching with a Pre and not an iphone. and yes it wld be nice to be able to say we've got the best PRE but screw it ... i'm just happy for the drop of 1.4 till then ... NFS beyatches !!!! PRE NATION !!! PRE's up !! iphone's down . One .
If you are feeling just a tad bit salty deep down inside I can kind of understand that, but at the end of the day we should all be happy that the pre is improving. This benefits us all.
Let's hope that Verizon and AT&T folk buy the phone. Let's hope for some advertising.
And let's patiently await what webOS on sprint will look like this summer!
things are always getting better no big deal. Stop crying and go get a pre plus if yall care that much. Yall sound like big babies . I paid 70 for my pre up front cuz I waited till the price droped some. Just becus you get something first don't mean nothing. They is also something better coming. Just like at the nintendo ds, ds lite, dsi....
perhaps this palm c40 phone on sprint they are talking about ovee there will be the pre 4gs! I wouldn't mind that at all... I have a need for speed
I just hope that Sprint has a red hot smartphone (webOS or Google) at the 1 year mark for all of us Pre purchasers to jump on.
The Pre is great but after a year it is going to start to look and feel tired.
You mean after a year it will have trouble making calls, sending and receiving data and texts? Will their be no signal, or unable to play music or video? Will the poor tired Pre stop working on the one year anniversary?
Really? The featureless iPhone has had no visible changes in 2.5+ years and lacks a restyled sibling like the Pre. The riverstone is out of fashion this fast?
just as long as it's hip. But it's too late to wow ces 2010. But I believe jon when he sais that palm is on a good course with their plan
This should be great for 3D games, and, of course, Flash. Of course, more cards too. The more the merrier!
As a Sprint user, just glad to see webOS doing well anywhere. And if it does well on VZ and gets more advertising, that's also great. That's more face time, more mind share and more devices being shown on the street. All that adds up to Palm being able to steam ahead and make the Sprint Pre I'm holding get better and better with the promise of something very new and shiny when the current contract is up again.
I think it means ever worse battery life :|
Sorry tio say but, Palm could put 1 gb ram and a 1 tb flash into the new phone...
as long as they won't imporve the really really bad hardware quality of the pre and the lifetime of the battery I will never ever buy a palm again.
Paid a lot of money for a high quality smartphone and got a piece of shit with the same quality expression as a chinese-ebay-stolen-idea-phone.
Of course, webOS is impressive but the hardware is the worse thing I ever had (it's my 16th cell phone now).
Palm is the real loser with locking Sprint out of the latest version of the Pre! I am a current AT&T/Blackberry customer. I am changing to Sprint and was going to purchase a Pre because I like the webOS platform. I see no reason now to purchase an old model Pre, and then be once again locked out of buying the potential new Pre in June. Sprint will now need to have a fire sale to clear out their inventory of outdated Pre's.
ok it looks like its not just ram but also a new processor here is the link where the girls says multiple times that there will be a new processor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5LA5cU1_wk