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What is this Open webOS 1.0? 36

by Derek Kessler Wed, 25 Jan 2012 9:13 pm EST

As we touched on when talking about the revised expectations and hopes for webOS, there's something interesting right at the very end of the open source roadmap: the September release of "Open webOS 1.0". What exactly is this mysterious Open webOS and why are we going to be back at version 1.0? That's the question we posed to HP, because we don't like ambiguity (we've had enough of that over the years). Here's how HP clarified Open webOS 1.0 to us:

“The 1.0 release of Open webOS will include many new features, technologies, and enhancements, benefitting from HP’s ongoing development of the code. This work will also have the effect improving performance on a variety of hardware.”

We're going to deduce from this that Open webOS 1.0 is the combination of two things. The first is the set of modifications announced today (the new standard Linux kernel, switching to JavaScriptCore, etc - and likely more to be unveiled in the coming months) that will make it easier to put webOS on other hardware and aid in the open source process. The second part is webOS 4.0, which we're sure has been in development in some shape or form but with a questionable future. Open webOS 1.0 will combine those, giving webOS a second relaunch effort from HP.


So does that mean my touchpad will get an update from 3.0.5 to 1.0.1?


We'll know in the coming months...

What it means is lot of things may not work anymore. Feel free to downgrade but imagine no hardware integration with software, its going to be worse than android

Not really in any way that people around here care about, buddy. I mean, I'm always hopeful that Duarte stealth-transforms Android into SuperwebOS, but I think a 1.0 full release compiled onto early 2011 dual-core tablets or phones could be awesome.

I don't know whether to be encouraged or depressed.

One good thing, a firm time line (if they can keep to it), not "In the coming whatever"

I guess My question is - How will this transition onto new Hardware? Will there be hardware out there to support it.

I can see how this might lead to more software (I kind of like the Pig's thing) - But if it runs on all OS's - Good for the other OS's, and good for the developers, but where is the need for hardware????

HP had better make Open webOS really easy to port, and allow for new API's to handle new hardware gimmick's (Laser pointer anyone?)

But then I guess the Open part of Open webOS should take care of that.

I guess I shouldn't gripe too much. HP could have just shut down and wrote off webOS

But I STILL need a new phone!!!!!.

I'm guessing that webOS as platform will fragment but hopefully in a more disciplined manner than Android. We'll have an official distribution by HP, possibly with a wide variety of specialized distros released by third parties. Imagine a webOS Doctor which allows you to install webOS on an Android phone, HP won't make one but it's easy to imagine that armed with the webOS source, hackers will. It might even be feasible for hardware makers like HTC to build webOS phones once the source code becomes available. If this begins to happen, look for HP to start building webOS developer tablets but don't look for them to be leaders in this regard. In other words, you probably won't be able to buy a new webOS phone anytime soon but you might someday be able to install webOS on other types of phones in much the same way that you can install Linux on any PC.

With the Enyo app framework available across multiple platforms, developer interest should grow. Whether or not this leads to a new life for webOS itself remains to be seen but Enyo itself will likely have a bright future as a cross-platform app framework.

From what I gather, they'll be using a standard Linux kernel. So it should be pretty easy to port.

I welcome our new open source overlords.

Hope...My friend, I have missed you.

So wtf? HP has two types of WebOS?? One thats open source? and the other thats proprietary? "Open WebOS 1.0" and "WebOS 4.0"?? if i was palm i would never have sold WebOS to HP. goin open source would change the entire WebOS UI and the OS it self. they should have kept it as is like microsoft with windows and apple with its OS's. well thats just me thinkin i'm sure other people think differently and prefer open source..

This thing is so full of holes. There is no defined user base. There's no defined developer base. There isn't even a defined device base. There's no demonstration of a need that this will fill.

It's kind of a "build it and they will come" strategy except more like "look, we built it, already, let's polish it up and see if they come."

When an idea is mostly about the processes and the parts, you usually end up later asking yourself "Who actually asked for this, anyway?" I mean outside of the current webOS ecosystem - if that's all you needed then webOS wouldn't have been a market failure.

Who asked for this? Do manufacturers really want another open source alternative? Do users really want to install alternative platforms on their devices? Do developers really want another platform to build on - one that isn't optimized for any commercially viable devices?

The answer, of course, is some do. I just question if its anywhere near the amount that it takes to make something like this work.

As Derek's article on iMore is titled:"HP open sources Enyo framework, makes webOS-style apps possible for iPhone, iPad" Did someone ask for that? Or as Derek asks at the end of the article: "The question is… will anybody want to install it?"

I bet if Open webOS was available when Amazon was developing the Kindle Fire, they would've chosen it over Android.

Personally, I'm very excited about this. Hopefully, I'll be able to install this on my Pre 3 and TouchPad to keep up with bug fixes. I realize that I'm probably in the minority, but I don't care about third-party apps. I never use them. I mainly use the basic apps that come with the device (phone, calendar, contacts, SMS, email, camera, photos, maps, notes, music and videos) and I use the web browser for everything else. What is more important to me is a enjoyable and satisfying experience in using the product. I get that from webOS but not from Android, iOS, or WP7. I love the beauty and gestalt of webOS. It's great to see that it's being kept alive.

This is my question - will our present hardware be obsolete or will it be able to run Open webOS 1.0? I just bought a Pre 3 and would like to enjoy it longer than half a year...

Can anyone offer some input on that?

I would assume your Pre 3 would be fine for this. The sticky point is what will be available in Open WebOS. Someone mentioned in another post that it will be interesting to see what pieces "can't" be open sourced and how that affect what's available in Open WebOS. So, there is a chance that some features of your Pre 3 will not work initially.

I wouldn't assume that any phone would be suitable for this. Everything that's been mentioned so far is tablets, tablets, tablets.

Maybe you could load it on a Pre3, but there's no guarantee it'll even have a dialer.

If anything, I would think Pre3 will run better with Open webOS since now the non-HP developers will have access to all the code and can actually optimize the software side!

Thanks to laoh, bearda & taharka - I appreciate your explanation to this lowly non-developer... my heart will always beat webOS, I just want to know I can use it! :)
Thanks again!

"Do manufacturers really want another open source alternative?"

Why wouldn't they want the option?
It doesn't cost them anything so far. I'm sure HTC, Samsung, etc... are pretty happy with webos becoming a possible alternative.

a) It's good as leverage in negotiations with Google - hey guys - we don't like where X, Y and Z is going - please reconsider or we tell our tech guys to take a really serious look at webos
b) If Apples anti-Android patent wars or MS protection racket gets out of hand it's nice to have an alternative
c) If Google-rola becomes a problem - it's nice to have an alternative
d) If company A is inexorably slipping in market share compared to company B and needs something new to distinguish its products (manufacturers already do that with their own skins and extensions tacked onto Android).

Given all the above and possibly adding Android compatibility to webos to solve the app market problem - webos could look enticing to a company or 2.

I've always wondered about this line of reasoning. It seems to me these manufacturers aren't looking for "an alternative" to anything. Rather, they simply produce devices for platforms that show promise and is available to them. I don't see them picking one over the other when it comes to WP7 and Android, so why is it that all of a sudden they need an alternative? If webOS ever becomes a viable platform in their eyes, my guess is they will produce devices for it.

I see/like what you did there. Reboot the webOS (Star Trek) franchise.

There was an earlier Star Trek franchise? I must have missed that... ;)

When are the marketing geniuses at HP going to realize that it should be called OSwebOS and not Open webOS?

OSwebOS is a retarded name. I like the ring of Open webOS.

This work will also have the effect improving performance on a variety of hardware THAT WE NO LONGER MAKE.

There, fixed it.

Wait a dang minute: you trying to tell me Spock is dating Uhura?! How? He's got to obey the Pon Farr and mate every seven years! What, is this some kinda alternate universe plot device solely employed to breathe life into a very jaded franchise, allowing a whole new series of Wrath of Khan rip-offs?!

For hate's sake I spit at thee for suggesting such drivel...Maybe Uhura can have a 'procedure' on her ears in seven years and that would suffice to 'tame' the Pon Farr...in the interest in interstellar cooperation you understand.

There's a little communication there anyway, I'm hearing They're going to go do stuff., you guys do your thing, and sometime we'll send a bighat over to your place, see what you got, and we'll see if we can bang your big ideas into what we got.
As long as windows 8 doesnt look really really nice, as HP's going to get very cold fet

Think about Nokia and Maemo. They wanted to release an open source version of their operating system, and rename it MeeGo.

They want it to make it full open source, and they failed. Why? Because part of the drivers, firmware and software used to run Maemo on Nokia tablets was closed source, and licensed to them as closed source.

So when you load MeeGo, you see that it lacks many key components that makes the thing run as it should: phone radio, hardware acceleration, camera...

I'd *really* like to see a complete open source WebOS implementation, that is, that you could flash on your existing Palm/HP phone and make it run using all the hardware features. That would even do feasible to run WebOS on a... Palm Treo 650 (linux already running on it).

But I sadly think that open sourcing WebOS efforts goes in the way of becoming the next Android competition.

Waah, waah, waah.

Everybody knows better, everybody knows WebOS is doomed.

In other news, I will happily switch over to O-WebOS on my Notebook once 1.0 is out (and somebody puts that touchpad into good use).

Notebooks, Netbooks, Everything will be possible!

Thats just great!

This will be awesome on my Pre3 from Spri... oh, wait, nevermind.

So, if Open webOS 1.0 is being released in September of 2012 -- do not expect anything running it (for typical consumers) until at least September of 2013 at the earliest, if ever.

CES 2014! (or Feb 9.)

should have palm in there


Hope open webOS will run fine on my veer.

P.S. Will try out enyo 2.0 soon. The framework looks cool so far.