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What is this "Touchstone Audio Dock" HP just sent through the FCC, and why do we want one? 30

by Derek Kessler Tue, 16 Aug 2011 6:46 pm EDT

Well, well, well, what have we here? The FCC is always such a delightful treasure trove of information, and we may now be getting the latest low-down on a new accessory for the HP Pre3: the Touchstone Audio Dock. HP amended a filing to request that the FCC test the 6MHz frequency band between the Pre3 (GSM) and the heretofore unheard-of Touchstone Audio Dock.

6MHz is a new frequency for us in the webOS sphere. The Touchstone charges over the frequency of 118.5KHz, a relatively low frequency, but powerful enough to charge a phone with little worry. When the HP Veer was introduced, we learned that the phone could also transmit on the 3.1MHz band, which we presumed would be used to identify the Touchstone to the phone for more customized Exhibition. And this new Touchstone Audio Dock – it also transmits at 6MHz, a capability apparently already built into the Pre3. Here’s a bit of the letter to the FCC requesting the amendment with the new accessory:

Dear Examiner,

This is to request a Class II permissive change for FCC ID: B94HHF30CV, originally granted on 05/10/2011.

The only change filed under this application is to add a new accessory - Touchstone Audio Dock. The phone was originally certified to work with the wireless charger - HP Touchstone/Part No: 157-10123- 00 - at fundamental frequency of 3.1 MHz. In this Class II permissive change filing, an alternate wireless charger – HP Touchstone Audio Dock/Model No: HSTNH-T32C is added. Therefore, the phone is capable of transmitting at both 3.1 MHz and 6 MHz fundamental frequencies. There is no hardware / software changes on the phone. 6 MHz functionality was original built in phone.

This letter doesn’t tell us much else about the Touchstone Audio Dock. But the rest of the testing documents do. The most telling part is the FCC Test Report, which includes descriptions of the testing set up as well as two diagrams in lieu of actual photos. Here’s the equipment and conditions they tested with the Pre3 and the audio Touchstone:

Mode 1 : GSM850 Idle + WLAN Idle + Bluetooth Link + Inductive Charger with External Speaker + MP3 + USB Cable (Charging from Adapter 1) + Battery 1 (Fig.1)

So parsing this data, here’s what we’re deducing from the FCC Test Report: the Touchstone Audio Dock is a next-generation inductive charger for HP webOS smartphones that will include the ability to serve as a Bluetooth audio transmitter. It would seem to have a 3.5mm audio-out jack, as the FCC tested the dock with both an external speaker set (the Altec Lansing Expressionist Bass FX3022) and an undisclosed set of headphones. Considering that there was no mention of testing with any sort of microphone input, we’re going to conclude this is a dock for music and the like. But… we’re still not sure what the extra 6MHz band is for if it’s also going to hook up with Bluetooth.

For our part, we’re excited. We’ve been asking – nay, begging – Palm and then HP for a Touchstone dock that also served as an audio dock. And now, it looks like we’re finally going to get it. Our hope is that it maintains the same ultra-minimalist looks of the current Touchstone, just adding a 3.5mm jack to the back. We want, and thank you FCC!

Source: FCC; Via: PreCentral Forums

30 Comments

tell me tell me tell me.....when and where can I buy one

As cool as this is, remember they had all kinds of docks for their camera line that didn't save them from being run out of the industry.

At the end of the day, just like with their cameras, they need products to sell that can hold their own against the competition in their own right. So far, that just isn't happening. I stick to my prediction of six months ago that this will be over (HP controlling all of WebOS and attempting to make a go of it in this fashion) in 3 years at best, which is now 2.5 years.

I can dig it, sad there is no Veer love.

Never know, the Veer wasn't on the list for touch to share at first but Ruby announced at the second Engadget show that a software update would add the function to the Veer.

For as long as I can remember the Veer has been announced with TTS. We will see though, I would think the 6MHz would have popped up in FCC fillings for the Veer.

No worries, I really just want my 2.2 for TTS. =)

This is going to look hawt in my bathroom. This plus Spotify premium, Pandora, and NPR radio and i'll be all set... just missing Audible.

Need Audible. No way I could have ever read Cryptonomicon but it was a joy to listen to (Snow Crash was better though). I wonder what the sound quality will be like compared to bluetooth....if they made a big deal of beats mabey this is their answer to bluetooth degradation.

Yes! I want, badly. Another gadget to spend my money on. I wonder if they're going to make this work with the TouchPad.

We need a touchstone video dock not audio. For audio you can always plugin to the headphone jack on the phone. Video however has no output so the touchstone video dock would be what is really needed. That goes for the TouchPad as well.

Video would be nice.

They should make Touchstone docks with integrated speakers for both Phones and TouchPads. That'd be awesome.

I think they are going in that direction. Apple has the pin connector and webOS has a magnet to attach your device to. How convenient is that? Its a cord free experience. I have three phone Touchstones and the one for the Touchpad.

This is what's known as "innovation". From the company that pundits say isn't capable of it. More, please!

Does the Pre3 set the record for longest wait ever after going through the FCC? May 10???

x_x

Can someone create a mock up of something like the ipod dock with speakers, but instead of the connector for the iphone in the middle, it will have a flip down touchstone to set a webOS phone on it? I have no Photoshop skills.

I can think of so many uses for this already. In addition to just playing music, if the phone audio goes through this, I could use the in-built mic on the Pre3, set it on this dock and do conference calls in meetings over my Pre3. As for the video, there are already USB projectors on the market, so all that would be needed is a driver to send the video out the USB port and for business people, with Quickoffice, I could output PPT presentations in meetings just with the phone, I could, concievably show Flash movies, lots of possibilities. Move over BB, this could be the next business phone by storm.

I like how they still have to write "Dear Examiner".

Maybe its something like an iHome? And now I'm about to get minuses just because I mentioned Apple.

For some reason this just seems unnecessary, why not just use the phones bluetooth connection and put it on a REGULAR touchstone.

Yeah, I'm confused too. How is having a touchstone which transmits Bluetooth any better than just transmitting directly from the phone?

enough with the touchpad news, wheres the pre3 we all been waitin for??

Pre3 is now shipping! In the UK anyway. Can't be too long for US after the rest of the world tests it a bit for you.

As for Touchstone Audio, great to see it finally made real. Wonder if bandwidth/Bluetooth ever good enough for a Touchstone Video? That would kill all those HDMI moans for TouchPad & make it such an amazing business tablet.

Hmm, so Derek also assumes that the audio will be streamed via Bluetooth rather than the 6 MHz band itself, as I speculated. We shall see... We shall see.

a very learned and highly intellectual comment.....

***DROOOOOOOOL***

nothing else can quite capture the level of excitement.

I agree with the speaker dock idea, which is very popular for iEverythings, and takes no fidgeting with it at all. Plug and Play!

Otherwise, can just use Bluetooth speakers which pair with the phone. The Creative speakers work pretty good for my Pre2 on it's Touchstone in my office. However, after walking away, when I return, I have to go into the Bluetooth menu and pick "Creative 100" for it to pair again, instead of being automagic. (I stream Music Remix flylists and autolists, which works great!)

PS - Jason Robitaille's Menu Remix is golden for futzing with flashlight and phone radios. Show him some donation love if you agree!

I guess this answers the question of will the current touchstone work with the Pre3...yes.

I'll take two! Oh wait...I don't have anything to use with it...

No video out is a major reason I have not yet purchased a TouchPad. I recall Derek stating in an article that there was a possibility of that happening as an update. Also, in the pre TouchPad days there were leaked reports of Touchstone 2 having wireless video output. Can anyone verify and is there any chance that may yet happen?

I doubt that 6MHz is enough bandwidth to provide wireless video.

Meh. Basically sounds exiting, but than.... we are living in Year 2011. There is WIFI in most locations you would want to have music. And guess who is using WiFi the supercool way: Apple. Airports and even the Apple TV thingie are such a great experience. I want to use my Veer as a music player, yes, but not on the dock. It should be a wireless control for music; stream music from your phone to your stereo and/or control the music that is stored on your NAS.

I had the opportunity to use an iPad as a controller for a Sonos multiroom system - this is what wireless music should be in 2011.

So my hope is: This dock could charge the phone, but as well act as a music receiver (bluetooth is too short-ranged). But this would still leave a NAS etc. out of the game, guess you could only transmit music from your phone to the dock.